BillsFanForever19 Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Honestly, i'm starting to think so. As more and more time goes by, it looks like Travis for Shelton and a flip flop of our 2nds will get done. That with the current addition of top available guard Bennie Anderson and Mike Gandy for depth, our OL is set. So what we need is another target for J.P.; another X-Factor if you will. I feel like we're in the same position here in 2005 that we were in when we drafted Willis in 2003. We're approximately $6.5 million under the cap (according to John Clayton). Our OL is set. We have our backup QB and a rocking defense. Why not draft a guy who can be our Jeremy Shockey? A guy who could line up in the slot and keep up with Evans. A guy who can play #3 on our QB roster. He ran a 4.39 in the 40, has a 39 1/2" vertical jump, and a 10 foot 6 long jump! His stock has risen from a second day pick, to no lower than the 2nd round. I know people are going to want to say, "We lost Pat Williams" or "We have no depth at CB with Vincent at Safety". But these are similiar complaints to that which were heard when we drafted Willis. I remember everyone ready to commit suicide when TD drafted him and now everyone's praising him as a god. We're $6.5 million under, there's still DT's out there and there will be more when 6/1 comes along. As for CB, we need a guy who can play #3. We can easily get that in a later round. Who knows? Maybe Ty Law will come here after all (Flame away!). With a top pick in the 2nd round (from AZ), I think there would be no better selection than Matt Jones. With Moulds, Evans, McGahee, and someone with the upside of Jones there at J.P.'s disposal; things couldn't be better!
Pete Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Matt Jones wont slip out of the first round. I bet the Steelers draft him- if he is still on the board. 6'6 and a 4.3 40 is freak material. He will shoot up draft boards and someone will pull the trigger early on this guy
stuckincincy Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 If he's half the blocker that John Madden was, I say go for it...
ndirish1978 Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 I had a post on him a week ago, said the same thing. He wil NOT go in the 1st rd
marck Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Honestly, i'm starting to think so.Like you, I think Matt Jones may be the pick-up of this draft. He has unbelieveable numbers, great upside but wants to be a WR and not a TE. If you read Chris Mortensen's article last week it stated as such. In addition, I believe he will either be picked by San Diego or Philadelphia late in the 1st round. As more and more time goes by, it looks like Travis for Shelton and a flip flop of our 2nds will get done. That with the current addition of top available guard Bennie Anderson and Mike Gandy for depth, our OL is set. So what we need is another target for J.P.; another X-Factor if you will. I feel like we're in the same position here in 2005 that we were in when we drafted Willis in 2003. We're approximately $6.5 million under the cap (according to John Clayton). Our OL is set. We have our backup QB and a rocking defense. Why not draft a guy who can be our Jeremy Shockey? A guy who could line up in the slot and keep up with Evans. A guy who can play #3 on our QB roster. He ran a 4.39 in the 40, has a 39 1/2" vertical jump, and a 10 foot 6 long jump! His stock has risen from a second day pick, to no lower than the 2nd round. I know people are going to want to say, "We lost Pat Williams" or "We have no depth at CB with Vincent at Safety". But these are similiar complaints to that which were heard when we drafted Willis. I remember everyone ready to commit suicide when TD drafted him and now everyone's praising him as a god. We're $6.5 million under, there's still DT's out there and there will be more when 6/1 comes along. As for CB, we need a guy who can play #3. We can easily get that in a later round. Who knows? Maybe Ty Law will come here after all (Flame away!). With a top pick in the 2nd round (from AZ), I think there would be no better selection than Matt Jones. With Moulds, Evans, McGahee, and someone with the upside of Jones there at J.P.'s disposal; things couldn't be better! 295378[/snapback]
LabattBlue Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Matt Jones has never played a lick at WR or TE or H-back. He was a college QB for the last 4 years. Let's just assume, the Bills draft him. Do you really expect him to come in here and make an immediate impact? It's questionable, that he can make the positional leap, let alone become an NFL starter. Maybe in the 3rd round, but not before. {post edited} re: Jones playing WR in college from espn.com Also a three-year member of the Razorback's basketball team, Jones began his football career at Arkansas as a wide receiver. He split time at quarterback and wide receiver as a freshman in 2001 before taking over as the fulltime starting quarterback in 2002. He has had lingering injuries and he continues to be an inconsistent performer with more of a "sandlot" style than anything. However, Jones did throw for more than 5,500 yards and rush for nearly 2,000 yards as a three year starter at Arkansas. Jones is one of the most intriguing prospects in the 2005 draft class because of his versatility and rare combination of physical tools. His nonchalant attitude and seeming lack of hustle drives coaches crazy but he's a much better fit at WR than he is at QB in that regard. Jones will need to put a lot of effort into the position change if he's going to make a successful transition while elevating to the NFL level. He needs to improve his route running skills and consistency in terms of picking up the blitz. He also needs to improve his effort as a backside receiver and as a blocker. Jones will never have great initial quickness but he has exceptional speed for such a big athlete and his hands are much further along than anticipated. In our opinion, Jones has the potential to develop into a weapon as a slot-WR/H-back in the NFL similar to the type of weapon that Joe Jurevicius (Buccaneers) was for Jon Gruden prior to Jurevicius' injuries. We grade Jones out as a third round prospect but when you consider his rare combination of physical tools and the upside he offers at the NFL level, it's not unrealistic to imagine a team taking a chance on Jones in the second round of the upcoming draft.
Alaska Darin Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Matt Jones sounds strikingly like Mike Mamula.
mary owen Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 not sure if this has been posted yet. i thought it was an Insider article, but the whole thing came up for me. at the bottom it says, "Want to read the whole article?" I think i just did Here it is. Fasten your seatbelts: Steve Young, who will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this summer, has long told me that one of these days there will be a football player so unique, so gifted and so different that he will cause some consternation among the NFL types who judge and coach the most talented football players in the world. "And it's going to be up to those people, especially some offensive coordinator, to think outside the box and figure out what to do with a guy like that," Young said. He didn't know it at the time, but Young was talking about someone available in the 2005 NFL draft -- a guy I believe is the best player in the draft. Matt Jones is that player. Yes, the Arkansas quarterback NFL evaluators have been struggling to figure out. Some have called him the most "intriguing" player in the draft. Or, as one personnel director asked me last week, "How's The Freak?" Jones is a freak. Let's just remind you of his measurables again, as now officially recorded from his scouting combine and pro day workouts. Height: 6-6¼ Weight: 242 40 time (hand-timed): 4.37 and 4.39 40 time (electronic): 4.40 Vertical jump: 39.5 inches Standing broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches Let me explain how to translate some of these numbers because Jones, for the most part, is being projected as a receiver/H-back instead of a quarterback. Based on watching Jones perform during Senior Bowl week, when he unabashedly exposed himself to playing receiver, scouts wondered about one or two things: Was he quick and explosive enough to play outside? Honestly, if Jones was not as quick as they wanted that week, it was attributed to the fact that he was playing a new position. Give him four months to work on nothing but receiver, and you'll see plenty of quickness. Trust me. That's what the vertical and broad jump measure: Explosiveness. Jones was among the very top athletes. He is quick. He is explosive. He also had one of the fastest 10-yard times while running his 40. His short cone drills and shuttles were just as impressive. His hands? I think he has the best hands in the draft. He's a basketball player, gifted enough after his junior football season at Arkansas to earn a starting spot on the basketball team within two weeks of his late arrival. "We charted every pass thrown to him during the Senior Bowl week, and [he] caught all but one," one personnel director said. So, as a receiver, he's bigger than Southern California's Mike Williams, he's faster, he's more explosive and he might have better hands. Some NFL teams have tried to peg him as a tight end or H-back because of his size. Jones has been truthful with NFL teams that have spoken with him. He's reluctant to play tight end. "You know, it's funny," one AFC head coach told me last week. "We asked [Jones] about putting on some weight and playing tight end, and he made it clear that he thought it was foolish. He said, 'So you want me to put on 20 pounds and be a 4.57 guy instead of a 4.37 guy?' When you put that into context, you have to admit he makes sense. Match up a 6-6 guy who is that fast and athletic with great hands on any corner – even the tall ones – and how do you stop him?" It was evident during the NFL meetings last week in Hawaii that Jones is perhaps the fastest riser in the draft. Because of his position switch, he had been labeled as a second-day pick, probably a fourth-round selection. He's not going on the second day. He's a better bet to go in the top half of the second round, and he could slip into the bottom third of the first round. "How do you ignore him?" one AFC general manager said. "He's the best athlete in the draft. It may not even be close. Honestly, he's the most mesmerizing player I've ever evaluated." I laughed when all the official numbers came in. Selfishly, they made me look good. When I spoke with a personnel man last fall about Jones, I asked him, "What are you going to do when he runs 4.4 at the combine?" The personnel man replied, "Well, he's not going to do that." Yeah, go ahead, just keep doubting him. As far as anyone knows, there's never been a 6-6 guy or a 242-pounder who ran 4.37 in the 40. Jones is both 6-6 and 242 pounds. Some have warned of "workout" warriors, citing Mike Mamula of Boston College as one who fooled everyone about his NFL potential with gaudy workout numbers. Mamula is a bad example to bring up when talking about Jones, though. For one, I would hardly classify Jones as a workout warrior. He could get out of bed and run 4.4. Better than that, he was one of the most productive players in the history of the Southeastern Conference and basically was even-steven with Young, the BYU flash, as a player with one of the highest yards-per-play average in NCAA history. For the past four years, SEC coaches and defenders have marveled at Jones' freakish ability to make plays – his 2,545 rushing yards set an SEC career mark for quarterbacks. "He was the best player in the SEC the past two years," said Ron Zook, the ex-Florida coach now at Illinois. "Now that's a mouthful. Think about the guys who have played in the SEC the past couple of years." Quickly, the names of Auburn's Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams, among so many others, leaped into my mind. The SEC is loaded with NFL-caliber players. LSU coach Nick Saban said, "Matt Jones single-handedly won more games than any player in the SEC." South Carolina coach Lou Holtz called Jones the "MVP" of the SEC. Mississippi State coach Sylvester Croom said, "I'm pretty sure I never have seen one like him, and I coached in [the NFL] for a lot of years. I'd take him, and … real high." Zook added, "Here's the thing about Matt Jones that people seem to forget because he is such a freak. He is one of the most productive players I've ever seen. It's all about productivity, and the bottom line is, this guy always makes plays and he makes' em when it counts and he makes 'em against everybody else's best players. He's a winner, he's productive and he's a freak. Our guys at Florida will tell you they never saw anything like him before and probably never will again." Florida linebacker Channing Crowder, who should be a first-rounder next month, called Jones "a blazer, unbelievably fast," and nose guard Tommy Jackson said watching film of Jones and then stepping on the field against him was a lifetime experience. "It's amazing that a guy that big, that strong and that fast is all in one person," Jackson said. "It's not fair." Georgia coach Mark Richt called Jones the most deceptively fast player he had ever seen. "On any given day, he could be the most dangerous player on the field, " Richt said. "You try to take good angles on the guy, and he's still past you." Back to production. Arkansas quarterback coach Roy Wittke provided statistics that show Jones had 88 planned runs of 10 yards or more, 10 that were 50-plus yards. That didn't even count his 2004 stats, in which he had 33 scrambles on broken pass plays for 377 yards, an 11.4-yard average per carry. When Saban said Jones "single-handedly" won more games than any player in the SEC, he also might have meant that Jones made almost every game competitive, even the defeats. He was the only returning starter on the Arkansas offense in 2004. The Razorbacks were just 5-6, the first losing season for coach Houston Nutt. But Jones kept the team alive in near misses against Texas, Georgia and Florida. "This guy can make a play on you when you're doing as good as you can do," Alabama defensive coordinator Joe Kines said. "Texas had some pretty good people on the field, and they never laid a glove on him." In fact, when legendary ABC play-by-play man Keith Jackson marveled over Vince Young's splendid performance in Texas' Rose Bowl win over Michigan, he wondered what planet Young was from and whether he had ever seen anybody like him. I chuckled. I had seen Jones, who was bigger, faster, more athletic and had a better arm than Young in their meeting when Texas squeaked out a 22-20 win over Arkansas early in the season. That night, Jones was again the best player on a field that included Young, not to mention Cedric Benson and Derrick Johnson, two Longhorns projected to go in the top 12 of next month's draft. Jones was even more productive running the ball from the quarterback spot than Michael Vick was at Virginia Tech. Yet, even though Jones is more than a half-foot taller than Vick with almost identical 40 times (Vick ran a hand-timed 4.37 at his first mini-camp with the Falcons), NFL scouts have all but dismissed Jones as a quarterback prospect because he is unorthodox while Vick obviously throws lasers. I think I'm OK with that thinking. Jones has a troubled right shoulder, which was hurt in his freshman year shortly after basketball season. The shoulder never allowed Jones to work at high volume at quarterback during practice, and it might have limited the team's passing game. But he still was pretty effective throwing the ball: He threw for almost 6,000 yards and 53 touchdowns in his career. There is one other part of Jones that bothers some scouts. It's his somewhat lackadaisical body language. "Nonchalant" is what I've heard. Does he really love the game? Does it really matter to him? Well, go back to that Texas game. Jones fumbled inside the Texas 20-yard line on an extra effort scramble in the final minutes. Arkansas probably wins the game if he doesn't fumble. He cried hard in a closed locker room after the game. His heart was broken. A few weeks later, Arkansas got throttled by undefeated Auburn 38-20. It wasn't an upset, but when a few Arkansas players were a little too jovial on Jones' bus after the game, he snapped at them. Doesn't care? This is also a guy who passed up basketball – a game he truly loves – in his senior year to get ready for the NFL. True, Jones is different. But that gene, or whatever it is, that projects this "nonchalance" is the same one that allowed him as a child to sleep through a tornado that ravaged his house in Fort Smith, Ark., according to his dad, Steve, who also was Matt's high school coach. It's the same calming gene that allowed Jones to thrive under pressure as a collegiate player. “ How do you ignore him? He's the best athlete in the draft. It may not even be close. Honestly, he's the most mesmerizing player I've ever evaluated.” —A general manager from an AFC club Nutt, who admits Jones' personality tested him at times, loves to tell how Jones almost put him over the edge in the final minute of Arkansas' SEC West championship game against LSU in 2002. LSU led 20-13 with less than a minute to play. LSU was about to punt as Nutt sought out his quarterback. "There he was, sitting back alone by the Gatorade, towel over his head, and as I get closer to him, Matt's singing to himself, or humming, 'do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do,'" Nutt says, recalling the hilarity of the moment. "I tell Matt, 'Come on, Matt, a little urgency here. We've got 37 seconds left, we gotta get the plays called, get in and out of the huddle, and get it done.'" Jones looked at Nutt. "No problem, coach," Jones said. "I got it." Jones, who at that point was 2-of-13 passing against Saban's talented, tenacious defense, got the ball at his own 20. In three plays, including two perfectly thrown passes -- the latter a 31-yarder to Decori Birmingham with nine seconds left -- Jones led Arkansas for 80 yards in a stunning 21-20 victory that propelled the Razorbacks to the SEC title game. "Darndest thing I ever saw," Nutt said. Some athletes are just more graceful than others. Joe DiMaggio made baseball look easy. Pete Rose made it look like work. Jones is more DiMaggio than Rose. Back to Steve Young's precept that it will take an offensive coordinator with the brains and brawn to use the gifts of a once-in-a-lifetime athlete best. The red zone, whether you put the ball in Jones' hands as a receiver or a quarterback, would seem to be one obvious frontier. Arkansas led the SEC in red zone scoring with 87.5 percent efficiency in 2004, and most of those scores were touchdowns. The Razorbacks also had uncanny success and drama playing overtime games. In fact, Jones arrived on the national scene as a true freshman when he locked horns with Eli Manning in a classic seven-overtime game in which Arkansas beat Ole Miss 58-56. As a junior he led the Razorbacks to another seven-overtime win, 71-63 over Kentucky. College overtimes are basically red zone games. The ball is given to each team at the opponents' 25. "I just know this," Nutt said. "You put the ball [in] the kid's hands in those situations and he's going to find a way to win the game at any level. Red zone, or whatever. On any given play, he can run or pass for 80 yards." Matt Jones won't be among the top 10 players selected in the April 23-24 draft, but I will venture to say that he'll play in more Pro Bowls than almost any of those guys. And I will laugh, knowing I told you so.
billrooter Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 He is definitely an intriquing pick, but comparing him to shockey is absurd,aslabatt said he has never played a down of te. The bills i think needto try an pick a guy who seems more of asure thing,i know the draft is a crapshoot but just my opinion!
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 4, 2005 Author Posted April 4, 2005 He is definitely an intriquing pick, but comparing him to shockey is absurd,aslabatt said he has never played a down of te. The bills i think needto try an pick a guy who seems more of asure thing,i know the draft is a crapshoot but just my opinion! 295620[/snapback] You said it yourself right there, the whole draft is a "crap shoot". He has all the intangibles to be just as good (and in my opinion, better) than anyone else we could draft at that spot.
UConn James Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Matt Jones has never played a lick at WR or TE or H-back. He was a college QB for the last 4 years. Let's just assume, the Bills draft him. Do you really expect him to come in here and make an immediate impact? It's questionable, that he can make the positional leap, let alone become an NFL starter. Maybe in the 3rd round, but not before. 295450[/snapback] Despite having played some at WR as a frosh, it is not the position at which he made his bones. See Scott Frost and Eric Crouch why using a 2nd might be too high. I'd be leery about taking him in the 3rd, and more likely in the 4th or early 5th. A performance at the Combine or informal workout is to be taken w/ a grain of salt.
BADOLBILZ Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 Matt Jones wont slip out of the first round. I bet the Steelers draft him- if he is still on the board. 6'6 and a 4.3 40 is freak material. He will shoot up draft boards and someone will pull the trigger early on this guy 295391[/snapback] Last year Jason Peters was "The Freak" at the combine. He was considered a lock first day pick by most experts. He went undrafted. The scouts love Matt Jones right now, but when push comes to shove and their reputation and job security are at stake, can they pull the trigger on a project? He'll be drafted, but I sincerely doubt someone will expend a first round pick on him. A 6'6" receiver who is a deep threat/redzone target would be the perfect compliment to Moulds and Evans and it definately wouldn't hurt to upgrade the talent at WR, where mediocre reserves Josh Reed/Sam Aiken are probably a couple more dropped passes away from being out of the NFL and where the #5 option is strictly a punt returner/gadget player(FF Smith). The Bills aren't beyond projecting with early picks (see Coy Wire from college LB to safety) and they don't have glaring needs that seem likely to be "fillable" on draft day, so I think there is a chance they may roll the dice with that 2nd round pick, be it a guy like Jones or Larry Brackins, etc..
The Jokeman Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 Jones' measurables are nice but the guy needs to learn to become a receiver. I suspect he'll be taken in the early part of Round 4 by a team like Chicago who is desperate for WR and/or TE help. Personally I don't see him making an impact until his 3rd year in the league if he puts in a strong effort to play WR or TE in the NFL. As a rookie I'd see him as a Butch Rolle type at best.
Tortured Soul Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 Jones' measurables are nice but the guy needs to learn to become a receiver. I suspect he'll be taken in the early part of Round 4 by a team like Chicago who is desperate for WR and/or TE help. Personally I don't see him making an impact until his 3rd year in the league if he puts in a strong effort to play WR or TE in the NFL. As a rookie I'd see him as a Butch Rolle type at best. 295760[/snapback] You mean just when we'll need someone to step in for Moulds?
Horus Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 according to superhero's thread kiper has jones going to the eagles 31st pick in round 1....but we know thats subject to change
Bill from NYC Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 Matt Jones sounds strikingly like Mike Mamula. 295452[/snapback] Wow, Mike Mamula! As I recall, he was slated to go in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Then, he went to the combines and was SO great at everything, he wound up being selected 9th overall. The thing is, everyone at the combines was so giddy over his numbers, the fact that he was unable to play football slipped right by them. I dont know enough about Jones to put him in this class, but Mamula is the poster boy for placing too much emphasis on times and numbers in the combines and not enough on the football field.
Mark VI Posted April 5, 2005 Posted April 5, 2005 People scream at the idea of Drafting one of the greatest Kickers in the history of college football ( Nugent )... but are willing to draft a guy in Round 2, with no experience at his projected position, based strickly on potential. I'm rooting for the guy to make it but we have some glaring needs to be filled. If we were one of those teams with extra picks in the draft, then I could see the gamble.
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 5, 2005 Author Posted April 5, 2005 Jones' measurables are nice but the guy needs to learn to become a receiver. I suspect he'll be taken in the early part of Round 4 by a team like Chicago who is desperate for WR and/or TE help. Personally I don't see him making an impact until his 3rd year in the league if he puts in a strong effort to play WR or TE in the NFL. As a rookie I'd see him as a Butch Rolle type at best. 295760[/snapback] Round 4?! What are you smoking?
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