reddogblitz Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: WTF?? Is this real? I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. I take it you don't pay attention to the Flo commercials. She's been hawking it for years as has the guy with the deep voice on State Farm commercials. Edited August 3, 2019 by reddogblitz
3rdnlng Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Chef Jim said: WTF?? Is this real? I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. I did not sign up for that. I gave the close relative "that look" and asked her if she really thought I'd go along with that, knowing me like she does.
Chef Jim Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 17 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I take it you don't pay attention to the Flo commercials. She's been hawking it for years as has the guy with the deep voice on State Farm commercials. How do they “monitor” your driving?
3rdnlng Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: How do they “monitor” your driving? They somehow do it through your phone and then send you a warning regarding your driving.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 5:05 PM, 3rdnlng said: But do you get a second item with no shipping costs, just a separate charge? ....and a Putin autographed picture no doubt..........
Happy Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 IMO, the tech giants are just as big of a threat to what the Founders envisioned for this nation as big government (swamp, career politicians) is. I, too, am not anti-capitalist, but this goes waayyy beyond capitalism. There are definitely many out there who want communism and they are doing all they can to steer the county in that direction. What they stupidly and ignorantly ignore is that socialism and communism has never succeeded.
Azalin Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 I would rephrase the question to are tech giants bigger threats to PRIVACY than the government? To be an actual threat to our liberty they would need to be working in cooperation with the government itself. The feds on the other hand already have the means to invade our privacy, and all they have to do is abuse the power we have given them.
reddogblitz Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: They somehow do it through your phone and then send you a warning regarding your driving. I thought they plugged something into your car to get the data.
Azalin Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 22 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: I recently switched auto insurance providers and I was offered a discount if I allowed them to monitor my driving, and inform me when I was going too fast or acting in an unsafe manner. If the agent wasn't a close relative I'd have walked out of the office. 22 hours ago, Chef Jim said: WTF?? Is this real? I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. I've always assumed that feature works similar to the GPS technology the telecom company I work for uses to track technicians in the field and gather data on their driving habits. I can see why some people would want that option if it gets then a lower premium, but I don't personally care to have anyone tracking me, just on principle.
3rdnlng Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I thought they plugged something into your car to get the data. Since I turned it down (adamantly) I didn't bother to ask.
BringBackOrton Posted August 4, 2019 Author Posted August 4, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 5:48 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Like the MSM, tech isn’t dangerous until government coopts it in order to propagandize and control it’s citizens. I disagree. All it takes is bad actors in positions of near-absolute power to be dangerous. Big tech now wields that power. Amazon and Google don’t have to be working under the direction of the gov to harm you. 17 minutes ago, Azalin said: I would rephrase the question to are tech giants bigger threats to PRIVACY than the government? To be an actual threat to our liberty they would need to be working in cooperation with the government itself. The feds on the other hand already have the means to invade our privacy, and all they have to do is abuse the power we have given them. Oooh here we go. Should we start to consider privacy to be an inalienable right?
Azalin Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 3 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Oooh here we go. Should we start to consider privacy to be an inalienable right? Do you believe it isn't?
BringBackOrton Posted August 4, 2019 Author Posted August 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Azalin said: Do you believe it isn't? Is it documented as one?
Azalin Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Is it documented as one? Yes, it is. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. You asked if tech was a bigger threat to our liberty than the government, and I voted no and gave an explanation as to why, going as far as to say that I believe them both to be a greater threat to our privacy. What can tech to to compromise your freedoms other than share data-mined information without your consent? And if indeed that is a valid concern, is that not a privacy issue? 1
Chef Jim Posted August 4, 2019 Posted August 4, 2019 8 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: They somehow do it through your phone and then send you a warning regarding your driving. No thanks.
BringBackOrton Posted August 5, 2019 Author Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Azalin said: Yes, it is. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. You asked if tech was a bigger threat to our liberty than the government, and I voted no and gave an explanation as to why, going as far as to say that I believe them both to be a greater threat to our privacy. What can tech to to compromise your freedoms other than share data-mined information without your consent? And if indeed that is a valid concern, is that not a privacy issue? Tech can censor you. Tech can ostracize you. Tech can knowingly feed you disinformation. Tech can steal and mine your information, can see what you’re doing, can monitor your purchases. It does all of these things now. 2
Chef Jim Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 God forbid anyone has a child named Alexa. Mom: Alexa Supper’s ready! Alexa: Shall I play Supper’s Ready by Genesis?
Azalin Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 9 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Tech can censor you. Tech can ostracize you. Tech can knowingly feed you disinformation. Tech can steal and mine your information, can see what you’re doing, can monitor your purchases. It does all of these things now. And those things are primarily privacy concerns, not infringements on our liberties. Tech can censor you on their platforms. You have to use them for them to censor you. Whenever you set up a new email account with any of the providers, you must agree to their terms of service, where they tell you that your information may or may not be shared with third parties, depending on the company. Tech giants are pervasive in our culture to be sure, but they are still optional. Government is not optional, but their excesses are held in check by the constitution. Constitutional protection does not apply to voluntary agreements made with corporate entities.
BringBackOrton Posted August 5, 2019 Author Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Azalin said: And those things are primarily privacy concerns, not infringements on our liberties. Tech can censor you on their platforms. You have to use them for them to censor you. Whenever you set up a new email account with any of the providers, you must agree to their terms of service, where they tell you that your information may or may not be shared with third parties, depending on the company. Tech giants are pervasive in our culture to be sure, but they are still optional. Government is not optional, but their excesses are held in check by the constitution. Constitutional protection does not apply to voluntary agreements made with corporate entities. I’m not making an appeal to constitutional protection. I realize in its current form, we have NO protection from corporate entities. That’s the reason I made the topic. Tech is quickly becoming “non-optional.” Edited August 5, 2019 by BringBackOrton 1
Azalin Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: I’m not making an appeal to constitutional protection. I realize in its current form, we have NO protection from corporate entities. That’s the reason I made the topic. Tech is quickly becoming “non-optional.” If you want to engage in the common online activities enjoyed by most Americans, you're going to have to accept the TOS outlined in their service agreements to do so. In most cases that means giving up name, address/email info, DOB, etc - and chances are that whoever you provide that information to plans to share or sell it to other online entities. I believe that is plenty of cause for concern, and people ought to be more discriminating in how they give that information up. However, I disagree with your casting the issue as one of a threat to our liberty, but instead view it as a threat to our privacy. There are a handful of companies that offer services such as email and search engines that do not share your information with anyone, and most are free. As long as there are people concerned with preserving their privacy, there will be companies who will vie for your business. 1
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