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Are Tech Giants bigger threats to Liberty than the Government?


Are Tech Giants bigger threats to Liberty than the Government?  

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5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

WTF?? Is this real?   I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. 

 

I take it you don't pay attention to the Flo commercials. She's been hawking it for years as has the guy with the deep voice on State Farm commercials.

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4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

WTF?? Is this real?   I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. 

I did not sign up for that. I gave the close relative "that look" and asked her if she really thought I'd go along with that, knowing me like she does.

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IMO, the tech giants are just as big of a threat to what the Founders envisioned for this nation as big government (swamp, career politicians) is.  I, too, am not anti-capitalist, but this goes waayyy beyond capitalism.  There are definitely many out there who want communism and they are doing all they can to steer the county in that direction.  What they stupidly and ignorantly ignore is that socialism and communism has never succeeded.

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I would rephrase the question to are tech giants bigger threats to PRIVACY than the government? To be an actual threat to our liberty they would need to be working in cooperation with the government itself. The feds on the other hand already have the means to invade our privacy, and all they have to do is abuse the power we have given them.

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22 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

I recently switched auto insurance providers and I was offered a discount if I allowed them to monitor my driving, and inform me when I was going too fast or acting in an unsafe manner. If the agent wasn't a close relative I'd have walked out of the office.

 

22 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

WTF?? Is this real?   I’d not sign up for that even if my wife was the agent. 

 

I've always assumed that feature works similar to the GPS technology the telecom company I work for uses to track technicians in the field and gather data on their driving habits. I can see why some people would want that option if it gets then a lower premium, but I don't personally care to have anyone tracking me, just on principle.

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On 8/2/2019 at 5:48 PM, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Like the MSM, tech isn’t dangerous until government coopts it in order to propagandize and control it’s citizens.

I disagree. 

 

All it takes is bad actors in positions of near-absolute power to be dangerous. Big tech now wields that power. 

 

Amazon and Google don’t have to be working under the direction of the gov to harm you.

17 minutes ago, Azalin said:

I would rephrase the question to are tech giants bigger threats to PRIVACY than the government? To be an actual threat to our liberty they would need to be working in cooperation with the government itself. The feds on the other hand already have the means to invade our privacy, and all they have to do is abuse the power we have given them.

Oooh here we go.

 

Should we start to consider privacy to be an inalienable right?

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34 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Is it documented as one?

 

Yes, it is.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

You asked if tech was a bigger threat to our liberty than the government, and I voted no and gave an explanation as to why, going as far as to say that I believe them both to be a greater threat to our privacy. What can tech to to compromise your freedoms other than share data-mined information without your consent? And if indeed that is a valid concern, is that not a privacy issue?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

Yes, it is.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

You asked if tech was a bigger threat to our liberty than the government, and I voted no and gave an explanation as to why, going as far as to say that I believe them both to be a greater threat to our privacy. What can tech to to compromise your freedoms other than share data-mined information without your consent? And if indeed that is a valid concern, is that not a privacy issue?

 

 

Tech can censor you. Tech can ostracize you. Tech can knowingly feed you disinformation. Tech can steal and mine your information, can see what you’re doing, can monitor your purchases.

 

It does all of these things now. 

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9 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tech can censor you. Tech can ostracize you. Tech can knowingly feed you disinformation. Tech can steal and mine your information, can see what you’re doing, can monitor your purchases.

 

It does all of these things now. 

 

And those things are primarily privacy concerns, not infringements on our liberties.

 

Tech can censor you on their platforms. You have to use them for them to censor you. Whenever you set up a new email account with any of the providers, you must agree to their terms of service, where they tell you that your information may or may not be shared with third parties, depending on the company. Tech giants are pervasive in our culture to be sure, but they are still optional. Government is not optional, but their excesses are held in check by the constitution. 

 

Constitutional protection does not apply to voluntary agreements made with corporate entities.

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2 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

And those things are primarily privacy concerns, not infringements on our liberties.

 

Tech can censor you on their platforms. You have to use them for them to censor you. Whenever you set up a new email account with any of the providers, you must agree to their terms of service, where they tell you that your information may or may not be shared with third parties, depending on the company. Tech giants are pervasive in our culture to be sure, but they are still optional. Government is not optional, but their excesses are held in check by the constitution. 

 

Constitutional protection does not apply to voluntary agreements made with corporate entities.

I’m not making an appeal to constitutional protection. I realize in its current form, we have NO protection from corporate entities. That’s the reason I made the topic.

 

Tech is quickly becoming “non-optional.”

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1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

I’m not making an appeal to constitutional protection. I realize in its current form, we have NO protection from corporate entities. That’s the reason I made the topic.

 

Tech is quickly becoming “non-optional.”

 

If you want to engage in the common online activities enjoyed by most Americans, you're going to have to accept the TOS outlined in their service agreements to do so. In most cases that means giving up name, address/email info, DOB, etc - and chances are that whoever you provide that information to plans to share or sell it to other online entities. I believe that is plenty of cause for concern, and people ought to be more discriminating in how they give that information up. However, I disagree with your casting the issue as one of a threat to our liberty, but instead view it as a threat to our privacy.

 

There are a handful of companies that offer services such as email and search engines that do not share your information with anyone, and most are free. As long as there are people concerned with preserving their privacy, there will be companies who will vie for your business.

 

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