4merper4mer Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RochesterRob said: "Every article I've read....." is not the same as knowing the policy at that particular facility. We are not talking some street level felon but was the highest profile inmate possible for such a facility. More precaution is taken than what is ordinary. Either extra precaution was taken or it wasn't. All of your conspiracy stuff assumes it was. I agree that it should have been, but to just assume that it was is not based in anything factual. It is very possible that he could have had normal sheets back and hung himself with them. 56 minutes ago, ALF said: Taking him off suicide watch defies common sense . The serious under staffing another big problem. I agree; especially with the first part.
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: Taking him off suicide watch defies common sense . The serious under staffing another big problem. This needs to be dealt with ASAP by Barr. I don't want to see Maxwell if charged head down the same path. Barr needs to see if it is within his authority to utilize a facility such as Leavenworth for "the next time." 1
Deranged Rhino Posted August 15, 2019 Author Posted August 15, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: This needs to be dealt with ASAP by Barr. I don't want to see Maxwell if charged head down the same path. Barr needs to see if it is within his authority to utilize a facility such as Leavenworth for "the next time." Or... instead of Leavenworth, perhaps: ************************ https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-moguls-jeffrey-epstein-connected-bill-gates-elon-musk-2019-8
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Or... instead of Leavenworth, perhaps: Any place where a serious error or criminal misconduct is dealt with via court martial. 2
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: This needs to be dealt with ASAP by Barr. I don't want to see Maxwell if charged head down the same path. Barr needs to see if it is within his authority to utilize a facility such as Leavenworth for "the next time." Detain her - any civilian - in the US Army Disciplinary Barracks, and she'll never testify, because the case will get tied up for years on Constitutional appeals. 1
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Detain her - any civilian - in the US Army Disciplinary Barracks, and she'll never testify, because the case will get tied up for years on Constitutional appeals. Then deploy a platoon to Manhattan to "assist" watching Maxwell or whoever else gets charged in this. As it stands their lives are not worth a penny based on what we just saw.
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: I guess that the Feds are going to have fun chipping out any new patches of concrete looking for evidence. 1 1
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, RochesterRob said: I guess that the Feds are going to have fun chipping out any new patches of concrete looking for evidence. They can use radar and sonar to search that. I saw so myself on Forensic Files! ? 1 1
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: They can use radar and sonar to search that. I saw so myself on Forensic Files! ? The bondage bench complete with concrete stains will have more impact if sitting in the courtroom as an exhibit versus a picture. 1
TPS Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 This is interesting....Sacha Baron Cohen almost exposing pedophile ring...but FBI decides not to act...hmmm... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sacha-baron-cohen-vegas-pedophile-ring 1
4merper4mer Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, TPS said: This is interesting....Sacha Baron Cohen almost exposing pedophile ring...but FBI decides not to act...hmmm... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sacha-baron-cohen-vegas-pedophile-ring Whoa
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: To me, the most fascinating thing about this story is that you can express ship a cement truck. That some sort of Amazon Prime perk? "Alexa, buy a cement truck." "Okay. Do you want it tomorrow?" 1
Doc Brown Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, ALF said: Taking him off suicide watch defies common sense . The serious under staffing another big problem. The psychologist who cleared him has some questions to answer. Accused pedophiles are the most likely to commit suicide when first incarcerated. I'm assuming there were psychological evaluation logs. Incompetence with the guards and the warden doesn't surprise me in the least. 1
RochesterRob Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The psychologist who cleared him has some questions to answer. Accused pedophiles are the most likely to commit suicide when first incarcerated. I'm assuming there were psychological evaluation logs. Incompetence with the guards and the warden doesn't surprise me in the least. Supposedly, Epstein's attorneys had something to do with this. Assuming that they in fact had legal standing to do so or filed a motion with a federal judge. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The psychologist who cleared him has some questions to answer. Accused pedophiles are the most likely to commit suicide when first incarcerated. I'm assuming there were psychological evaluation logs. Incompetence with the guards and the warden doesn't surprise me in the least. ....interesting...lawyers override the psychiatrist?................ By Joshua Nelson | Fox News Epstein was placed on suicide watch in late July after being found semiconscious with bruisings on his neck. His lawyers requested that he be removed from suicide watch because he showed a hopeful attitude. The convicted sex offender was then put under "special observation," a less restrictive watch, and was moved to another cell with a new cellmate. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted August 15, 2019 Author Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, TPS said: This is interesting....Sacha Baron Cohen almost exposing pedophile ring...but FBI decides not to act...hmmm... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sacha-baron-cohen-vegas-pedophile-ring Yup. This was discussed heavily at the time it first came out. It’s systemic.
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....interesting...lawyers override the psychiatrist?................ By Joshua Nelson | Fox News Epstein was placed on suicide watch in late July after being found semiconscious with bruisings on his neck. His lawyers requested that he be removed from suicide watch because he showed a hopeful attitude. The convicted sex offender was then put under "special observation," a less restrictive watch, and was moved to another cell with a new cellmate. "I'm hopefully I'll be successful next time," he was quoted saying after surviving his first suicide attempt
Hedge Posted August 15, 2019 Posted August 15, 2019 Posting for the 2nd tweet/article link. A take from a former BOP worker: Quote “When in SHU, other than the orange dress and a few other restrictions, prisoners would be issued a standard cotton sheet. This would be different if a prisoner were on suicide watch, but it was reported that Epstein was removed from suicide watch, so he would have had a standard bedsheet”. ... We then moved on to talk about the cameras, the sleeping, the stories about officers from other positions filling in that night, and the rest of the staffing irregularities. Lyon informed us on surveillance inside in the prison. “Because of budget shortfalls, it wouldn’t be uncommon for the camera systems to malfunction, however I don’t think that was the case here. Because of a law called PREA (Prison Rape Elimination Act) we are prohibited by law from filming inside of a cell. So, the only cameras would be in the hallways. If the reporting about the guards being asleep is correct, along with the reporting about the logs being falsified, the only way that they would know that at BOP is because they were able to view functioning hallway cameras, and noticed these officers didn’t do their rounds.” ... “In addition, I wanted to dispel a little bit of the speculation regarding the reporting that the people on shift that night weren’t titled as true corrections officers. Every single employee in a BOP facility is trained as a corrections officer. This means that every employee in the BOP is trained to do what these guards were doing. Some come in and start as a guard and get reassigned to another job function, and some come in with another function and are assigned to guard, but all BOP employees are trained first to do the job these officers were doing in the Epstein case” ... Fully speculating on my own part, it could be he wanted to be moved. He expected those guards to be walking by at a certain time, he tried to time his attempt with when they walked by, and they never walked by and then he was SOL. But everything they have told us so far is completely plausible from my experience”. (Without researching it, the part about the Prison Rape Elimination Act being the reason for not allowing to film inside a cell was a head scratcher.) 3
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