transplantbillsfan Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The general. The DNC has proven to be crooked in terms of manipulating the primary results, so I won't ever say never to a rigged system (from which Joe came). I find it highly unlikely that he'll win the primary. I expect he'll be gone after SC. Incorrect. I am here to share information and learn from others with different perspectives and experiences. An attempted coup of a legitimate president undertaken by elements within the FBI, DOJ, White House, the CIA/Western IC, and several of our "allies" like England, Canada, New Zealand, and France is not a minuscule thing. It puts into context the past 48+ months -- and why you're wrong about Joe (and the DNC in general). Joe was a part of the above. There's evidence to prove it -- as well his own corruption in the Ukraine and China both. He's not a good guy. He's not "better" than Trump. He's a cancer on the system who completely lacks the ability to think, govern, or act for himself. He's a puppet of bad people who are right now fighting for their very lives/freedom. That's where this started for me in 2016. It has nothing to do with Trump or political parties/partisanship. It has everything to do with not wanting to live in the mirage of a democratic republic, but an actual democratic republic. One not ruled by the intelligence agencies. My thesis for three years has been we are in a disinformation war. You have been lied to, over and over the past three years by Joe among others. You're welcome to disagree with that premise -- I'm all about discussion and always open to being wrong. But in this case the facts are on my side, not yours. The only question left is what will be done about it. Trump and Barr right now hold the power in their hands to completely destroy the DNC and GOP establishment in DC. The risk in doing so is sparking something ugly in the form of the establishment response (read: civil unrest/war). How much can they expose/will they expose without unraveling the entire republic -- which would only serve the goal of the enemy. We're about to find out. This isn't, at all, what happened in 2016. No one threw away their vote. This sums it up best -- and he made it before the election: You're still thinking it was a fluke. It wasn't. Nor was Brexit. This is a global movement that hasn't even begun to show itself in full. Hope that was enjoyable. I disagree. Have fun.
jrober38 Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: The independents who swung the election for Trump in key states aren't going back to Joe. The reason they didn't go for Hillary is because she was more of the same/establishment. Joe is every bit the establishment puppet Hillary was/is. Joe can't win. Then why is he ahead by 10 points in most polls? 10 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Meanwhile 50,000 GM workers are striking due to plant closures as GM moves production to Mexico. I agree that people voted for these reasons in 2016, but I'm not sure they'll vote that way again. Edited September 16, 2019 by jrober38
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Then why is he ahead by 10 points in most polls? He's not. The polls are fake -- as they were in 2016. Polls -- even the honestly run ones (which are few and far between) require truthful answers from the participants to be valid. After three years of the DNC, progressive fascists, and the media refusing a peaceful transition of power and calling anyone who voted for Trump a racist, Putin apologist, traitor -- you're asking a lot if you expect people to publicly announce their intentions. They'd rather wait until November, cast their vote, and watch the meltdown than identify themselves as a target for the brownshirts. Add 10 to any poll and you'll be closer to reality. 30 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Meanwhile 50,000 GM workers are striking due to plant closures as GM moves production to Mexico. I agree that people voted for these reasons in 2016, but I'm not sure they'll vote that way again. The DNC called those people racists, deplorables, traitors, and have tried to shame them, incite violence, and smear them unfairly for three years. They watched with wide open eyes what was done to Kavanaugh. They watched what was done to the Covington Kids. No way those voters are suddenly going to cast their vote for the side that's thinks they're scum, threatens their lives, jobs, and children. 2020 won't be close.
Warren Zevon Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: 2020 won't be close. 3 and half months away, moron
jrober38 Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: He's not. The polls are fake -- as they were in 2016. Polls -- even the honestly run ones (which are few and far between) require truthful answers from the participants to be valid. After three years of the DNC, progressive fascists, and the media refusing a peaceful transition of power and calling anyone who voted for Trump a racist, Putin apologist, traitor -- you're asking a lot if you expect people to publicly announce their intentions. They'd rather wait until November, cast their vote, and watch the meltdown than identify themselves as a target for the brownshirts. Add 10 to any poll and you'll be closer to reality. The DNC called those people racists, deplorables, traitors, and have tried to shame them, incite violence, and smear them unfairly for three years. They watched with wide open eyes what was done to Kavanaugh. They watched what was done to the Covington Kids. No way those voters are suddenly going to cast their vote for the side that's thinks they're scum, threatens their lives, jobs, and children. 2020 won't be close. The polls aren't fake. In 2016 Hilary was ahead by 3 points. She won the popular vote by 2 points, but polling didn't account for the electoral college. Right now Biden leads Trump by 8-15 points in pretty much every poll that's come out. If he wins the popular vote by that type of margin, Trump is going to get annihilated in the electoral college.
Warren Zevon Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: The polls aren't fake. In 2016 Hilary was ahead by 3 points. She won the popular vote by 2 points, but polling didn't account for the electoral college. ya but add 10
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: The polls aren't fake. They are. And were in 2016. If you didn't learn that then, or in Brexit, you're living in fantasy land. Just now, jrober38 said: In 2016 Hilary was ahead by 3 points. She won the popular vote by 2 points, but polling didn't account for the electoral college. In other words -- the poll was wrong/fake. It asked the wrong questions in order to generate an outcome which inflated Clinton and hurt Trump despite the question having no bearing on the outcome of the election. You just proved my point. They frame the question dishonestly, people answer them dishonestly, then they plaster the results which are meaningless in terms of predicting the actual outcome. The media is not your friend. They are lying to you. Just as they did for three years about Trump/Russia. Just as they did about WMD in Iraq. Just as they did about government spying on Americans. 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Right now Biden leads Trump by 8-15 points in pretty much every poll that's come out. If he wins the popular vote by that type of margin, Trump is going to get annihilated in the electoral college. There's not a chance his lead is that high in reality. Zero chance. Biden cannot win the primary without them cheating it. He darn sure can't win the general.
jrober38 Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They are. And were in 2016. If you didn't learn that then, or in Brexit, you're living in fantasy land. In other words -- the poll was wrong/fake. It asked the wrong questions in order to generate an outcome which inflated Clinton and hurt Trump despite the question having no bearing on the outcome of the election. You just proved my point. They frame the question dishonestly, people answer them dishonestly, then they plaster the results which are meaningless in terms of predicting the actual outcome. The media is not your friend. They are lying to you. Just as they did for three years about Trump/Russia. Just as they did about WMD in Iraq. Just as they did about government spying on Americans. There's not a chance his lead is that high in reality. Zero chance. Biden cannot win the primary without them cheating it. He darn sure can't win the general. Again, Hilary was projected to win the popular vote by 3 points, and she won it by 2. You're delusional if you think that constitutes something fake. Independents don't vote in primaries, and the independents will be the ones who decide the election.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Again, Hilary was projected to win the popular vote by 3 points, and she won it by 2. The popular vote is irrelevant when predicting a POTUS winner. Thus, it's a fake poll. It's meaningless and designed to mislead, not inform. 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Independents don't vote in primaries, and the independents will be the ones who decide the election. They will. And for three years they've been called racist, bigots, Putin supporters, and watched the left/DNC/congress forcefully resist the transition of power, smear people without due process, call for dramatic social and governmental reforms which would move the country from a republic to something very different and dangerous... They aren't coming back to the left. They're going to plug their noses and vote for Trump again because the left has learned nothing from 2016. Nothing.
RochesterRob Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They are. And were in 2016. If you didn't learn that then, or in Brexit, you're living in fantasy land. In other words -- the poll was wrong/fake. It asked the wrong questions in order to generate an outcome which inflated Clinton and hurt Trump despite the question having no bearing on the outcome of the election. You just proved my point. They frame the question dishonestly, people answer them dishonestly, then they plaster the results which are meaningless in terms of predicting the actual outcome. The media is not your friend. They are lying to you. Just as they did for three years about Trump/Russia. Just as they did about WMD in Iraq. Just as they did about government spying on Americans. There's not a chance his lead is that high in reality. Zero chance. Biden cannot win the primary without them cheating it. He darn sure can't win the general. Does one skip or prance while in fantasy land? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, RochesterRob said: Does one skip or prance while in fantasy land? Prance. Definitely prance. (spoken from first hand experience)
RochesterRob Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Again, Hilary was projected to win the popular vote by 3 points, and she won it by 2. You're delusional if you think that constitutes something fake. Independents don't vote in primaries, and the independents will be the ones who decide the election. 1.6 million illegitimate voters in LA being a large contributor to Hillary's 2 percent. 1
3rdnlng Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Prance. Definitely prance. (spoken from first hand experience) I call it sashaying. As far as polls go, when asked if you were for Medicare for all, the majority of Americans said that they were. When asked if you were for Medicare for all with the elimination of private insurance, the vast majority of Americans said "hell no". It matters how you ask the question. 1
Warren Zevon Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: And for three years they've been called racist, bigots, Putin supporters, and watched the left/DNC/congress forcefully resist the transition of power, smear people without due process, call for dramatic social and governmental reforms which would move the country from a republic to something very different and dangerous... They aren't coming back to the left. They're going to plug their noses and vote for Trump again because the left has learned nothing from 2016. Nothing.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Again, this is from the Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/opinion/joe-biden.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage Joe has no chance to win. They don't want him, won't accept him as the candidate, and darn sure won't turn out for him in a general.
B-Man Posted September 16, 2019 Author Posted September 16, 2019 WHY THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE ECONOMY AT THE DEMOCRATS’ DEBATE: Over a Million Households Climbed to Middle Class Under Trump, Census Data Shows. . 1
jrober38 Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: They will. And for three years they've been called racist, bigots, Putin supporters, and watched the left/DNC/congress forcefully resist the transition of power, smear people without due process, call for dramatic social and governmental reforms which would move the country from a republic to something very different and dangerous... They aren't coming back to the left. They're going to plug their noses and vote for Trump again because the left has learned nothing from 2016. Nothing. So the independent voters, who have supposedly been called racists for 3 years, are going to turn out and vote in the democratic primaries.... for who? What you're saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Tiberius Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: 1.6 million illegitimate voters in LA being a large contributor to Hillary's 2 percent. Such a liar Trump's economic approval takes hit in battleground states: poll CAMPAIGN09/16/19 President Trump’s economic approval numbers are declining in key battleground states and he trails a generic Democrat in the race for the White House, according to a poll conducted by Priorities USA, the nation’s largest Democratic super PAC. The survey of Florida, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin finds a generic Democrat leading Trump 48 percent to 40 percent, with 11 percent undecided. Thirty-six percent said they would definitely vote for the Democrat, against only 26 percent who said they would definitely vote for Trump.
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: So the independent voters, who have supposedly been called racists for 3 years, are going to turn out and vote in the democratic primaries.... for who? What you're saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I am about as far from being a Republican as one can be. I’m a libertarian leaning classical liberal. I’ve never cast a ballot for a Republican for President in my life. I’ll be pulling the lever for Trump in the next election and will never vote for a Democrat again in my life. 1 2
Deranged Rhino Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: So the independent voters, who have supposedly been called racists for 3 years, are going to turn out and vote in the democratic primaries.... for who? What you're saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Some states allow independents to vote in the primary. But this conflation is because we're talking past one another, and about two topics at once. Joe has no chance to win the general. That's a lock. Joe may win the primary, only because as we learned in 2016 it's not a fair system. Its rigged and will be rigged again to favor the establishment candidate (which Joe is -- but he's not the only one). If he survives the primary, which I doubt, he'll have zero shot to win those independents back. None. Joe isn't a great uniter. He's not a good politician. He's a puppet who has no idea how to win a presidential campaign as he's proved 2x in the past already. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I am about as far from being a Republican as one can be. I’m a libertarian leaning classical liberal. I’ve never cast a ballot for a Republican for President in my life. I’ll be pulling the lever for Trump in the next election and will never vote for a Democrat again in my life. I have a checklist I'm using: *Anyone who was involved directly in SpyGate, or fanning the disinformation about Trump/Russia are automatically DQ'd. (that's everyone on stage right now but Yang) *Anyone who is pushing democratic socialism, backdoor or explicitly, or identity politics, are automatically DQ'd. *Anyone who's openly flashed allegiance to the darker segments of the control structure through symbolism or association are automatically DQ'd.
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