OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: You know they’re completely out of ideas when the best they can come up with is ‘OK how about we just give everyone $1,000 per month’! ? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: All he has to do is be slightly more likable than Hillary as the thought of another Trump four years alone will increase turnout as many people stayed home assuming Hillary would win. If the election was held today between Biden and Trump it would be a coin flip. Whoever runs for the left needs to take the independents who voted for Trump over Clinton back. Joe can’t do that. He’s incapable of it because he’s so beltway his blood type is DC. Those voters who abandon the left for trump did so because they wanted an outsider, not more of the same. Joe will not be able to motivate those people to flip or the younger progressive base who drives social media to turn out. He cant win. Edited September 14, 2019 by Deranged Rhino
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Whoever runs for the left needs to take the independents who voted for Trump over Clinton back. Joe can’t do that. He’s incapable of it because he’s so beltway his blood type is DC. Those voters who abandon the left for trump did so because they wanted an outsider, not more of the same. Joe will not be able to motivate those people to flip or the younger progressive base who drives social media to turn out. He cant win. Trump won by a combined 70,000 votes in PA, MI, and WI. All by under 1%. I can't see any democratic candidate suppressing the vote more than Hillary. I think Biden could easily get at 2 to 5% bump in those states as Biden doesn't need to win the Obama/Trump voters back. You underestimate his chances.
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trump won by a combined 70,000 votes in PA, MI, and WI. All by under 1%. I can't see any democratic candidate suppressing the vote more than Hillary. I think Biden could easily get at 2 to 5% bump in those states as Biden doesn't need to win the Obama/Trump voters back. You underestimate his chances. Go back in time and try to remember the fear that people had of the unknown as it pertains to Donald Trump. The stock market didn't crash and we didn't go to war. Blacks weren't put back in chains. Things are going pretty well and regardless of what people think of some of Trump's statements, they aren't going to toss him overboard for a green new deal or open borders. If Biden somehow gets the nomination he will be eviscerated by Trump. Remember this...………………………..mocking is the death knell to a candidate and Biden is very susceptible to that, while Trump is an expert in dishing it out.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Trump won by a combined 70,000 votes in PA, MI, and WI. All by under 1%. I can't see any democratic candidate suppressing the vote more than Hillary. I think Biden could easily get at 2 to 5% bump in those states as Biden doesn't need to win the Obama/Trump voters back. You underestimate his chances. I disagree. Whomever runs needs to either win those voters back or spike the turnout in the progressive fringes of the party. Progressives hate Biden and won’t turn out for him. That’s fact not opinion. Fact based on countless conversations w progressives in LA about Biden. That leaves only one option for Joe to win the general: he must win back the ones the party lost in 2016 to Trump, and the independents who went Trump. The problem for Joe is that group of voters by and large share the progressive distaste for establishment figures — which Joe is every bit as much as Hillary was. Joe has no chance to win. Edited September 14, 2019 by Deranged Rhino
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Go back in time and try to remember the fear that people had of the unknown as it pertains to Donald Trump. The stock market didn't crash and we didn't go to war. Blacks weren't put back in chains. Things are going pretty well and regardless of what people think of some of Trump's statements, they aren't going to toss him overboard for a green new deal or open borders. If Biden somehow gets the nomination he will be eviscerated by Trump. Remember this...………………………..mocking is the death knell to a candidate and Biden is very susceptible to that, while Trump is an expert in dishing it out. That's exactly why Biden is the most dangerous because he's was to the right of Warren/Sanders/Castro/Booker etc. when it comes to immigration and combating climate change. People won't buy that line of attack considering he's been around forever and was vice president under the "deporter in chief." A lot of undecideds will see Biden as somebody who won't rock the boat (the economy too much and is more palatable than Trump. I don't see Biden attacking B-list celebrities on twitter or calling Americans SOB's at rallies. Plus, the mocking was seen as fresh in 2016 while it's just seen as tired and plain mean now to everybody outside his base. 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I disagree. Whomever runs needs to either win those voters back or spike the turnout in the progressive fringes of the party. Progressives hate Biden and won’t turn out for him. That’s fact not opinion. Fact based on countless conversations w progressives in LA about Biden. That leaves only one option for Joe to win the general: he just win back the ones the party lost in 2016 to Trump, and the independents who went Trump. The problem for Joe is that group of voters by and large share the progressive distaste for establishment figures — which Joe is every bit as much as Hillary was. Joe has no chance to win. You live in California. The rest of the country is more moderate. Especially black voters. Don't underestimate how being the VP under Obama can drive up turnout. Plus, the election is more than a year away so speculating about it now is difficult.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, Doc Brown said: You live in California. The rest of the country is more moderate. Especially black voters. Don't underestimate how being the VP under Obama can drive up turnout. Plus, the election is more than a year away so speculating about it now is difficult. Entirely agree -- and doubly so if 44 goes out and pats Joe on the shoulder that would help. But without that he's bleeding black voters, especially young black voters. Between now and SC I'm not sure he'll be able to plug all the leaks in the dam. But I don't think 44 wants to endorse Joe, and without that, he's not going to be able to keep that base. Obama knows, better than most, that if Joe runs in the general he would lose -- and that would be another Trump victory over 44's legacy. And that's what 44 cares most about. Thus, he's eyeing anyone other than the 10 on that stage for his support.
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Entirely agree -- and doubly so if 44 goes out and pats Joe on the shoulder that would help. But without that he's bleeding black voters, especially young black voters. Between now and SC I'm not sure he'll be able to plug all the leaks in the dam. But I don't think 44 wants to endorse Joe, and without that, he's not going to be able to keep that base. Obama knows, better than most, that if Joe runs in the general he would lose -- and that would be another Trump victory over 44's legacy. And that's what 44 cares most about. Thus, he's eyeing anyone other than the 10 on that stage for his support. This. When has Obama ever actually done anything for someone else? 3 1
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Entirely agree -- and doubly so if 44 goes out and pats Joe on the shoulder that would help. But without that he's bleeding black voters, especially young black voters. Between now and SC I'm not sure he'll be able to plug all the leaks in the dam. But I don't think 44 wants to endorse Joe, and without that, he's not going to be able to keep that base. Obama knows, better than most, that if Joe runs in the general he would lose -- and that would be another Trump victory over 44's legacy. And that's what 44 cares most about. Thus, he's eyeing anyone other than the 10 on that stage for his support. Yeah. A lot can happen between now and next year at this time. You make a good point with the lack of enthusiasm problem Biden has but seem to downplay the disgust that so many people have for Trump's conduct. It's a long way away to be making predictions now, but simply stating "Biden can't win" to me is just ignoring the basic results of how close the last election was and the midterm results. 1
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, Doc Brown said: Yeah. A lot can happen between now and next year at this time. You make a good point with the lack of enthusiasm problem Biden has but seem to downplay the disgust that so many people have for Trump's conduct. It's a long way away to be making predictions now, but simply stating "Biden can't win" to me is just ignoring the basic results of how close the last election was and the midterm results. That works against Biden, giving him a lot of time to make him look old and foolish. He's a gaffe machine and will be mocked for his misstatements.
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: That works against Biden, giving him a lot of time to make him look old and foolish. He's a gaffe machine and will be mocked for his misstatements. It may be a good thing nowadays considering he's running against Trump who recently suggested nuking a hurricane. Makes Biden seem less robotic.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Yeah. A lot can happen between now and next year at this time. You make a good point with the lack of enthusiasm problem Biden has but seem to downplay the disgust that so many people have for Trump's conduct. It's a long way away to be making predictions now, but simply stating "Biden can't win" to me is just ignoring the basic results of how close the last election was and the midterm results. Just to address where this comes from in my takes -- it comes from the belief that Trump has gained more supporters than he's lost in the ensuing 2 1/2 years, and the anticipation that number will rise steadily when presented with the option of Trump or the establishment of old. You point out the "disgust so many have" for Trump -- which, per the media, is valid. I just happen to suspect that's being wildly overblown by a media which has proven themselves to be narrative engineers more than truth tellers in the past 48 months. 1
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Just to address where this comes from in my takes -- it comes from the belief that Trump has gained more supporters than he's lost in the ensuing 2 1/2 years, and the anticipation that number will rise steadily when presented with the option of Trump or the establishment of old. You point out the "disgust so many have" for Trump -- which, per the media, is valid. I just happen to suspect that's being wildly overblown by a media which has proven themselves to be narrative engineers more than truth tellers in the past 48 months. It's anecdotal on my part but I know people who can't even look at the guy when he's on tv who didn't vote last election assuming Hillary would win. Most of whom are middle aged women. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: It's anecdotal on my part but I know people who can't even look at the guy when he's on tv who didn't vote last election assuming Hillary would win. Most of whom are middle aged women. The question will be what their reactions will be when SpyGate is exposed and arrests are made. That will be the test for a lot of people who will suddenly see, without equivocation, just who's been lying to them for the last three years and how insidiously it was done. Some of these people won't be able to accept it, so deep is the programming. But I'm betting on the majority realizing they've been had and going to the polls pissed off. 1
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It may be a good thing nowadays considering he's running against Trump who recently suggested nuking a hurricane. Makes Biden seem less robotic. Trump never suggested that, it's just more slantedshit by the media & the Left.
Chef Jim Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's anecdotal on my part but I know people who can't even look at the guy when he's on tv who didn't vote last election assuming Hillary would win. Most of whom are middle aged women. How many of those people are in states that Trump likely won’t win anyway?
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