Misterbluesky Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right. Lower population,no blackouts.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2019 Author Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Lower population,no blackouts. In one year?
Lurker Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: Truth is..the population keeps decreasing here ,and it has aged. They young people left and keep leaving, especially over the course of the past 20 years. Outside of a miracle...we won't see a new stadium..most locals already know that. Man, your stereotypes are out of date. While the Buffalo area population is flat, it's not because of young people leaving. It's the 35-54 year olds who are leaving (mid-career folks with skill sets that no longer match what Buffalo's become), which also results in fewer children per capita. Millennials on the other hand are thriving: https://www.upstartny.org/inthenews/Buffalo-outpaces-national-average-in-growth-of-young-adult-population.aspx "The U.S. Census Bureau’s 2016 American Community Survey, released early this year, shows the City of Buffalo’s growth in 25- to 34-year-olds outpaces the national average, placing it 22nd at 13.4 percent growth. That outpaces 58 of the 79 cities identified in the study." https://www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-ranked-12th-among-cities-where-millennials-are-moving "Buffalo, Cheektowaga and Niagara Falls collectively rank 12th among American cities as destinations for a growing millennial population. A Time magazine report looking at research from the Urban Land Institute found that many of the cities seeing the most relative growth are actually smaller cities."
eanyills Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 7 hours ago, /dev/null said: Especially in places like Baltimore where leaving home exponentially increases one's chance of being murdered on the street Try going to places yourself instead of relying on media dipictions. I love Baltimore. Lots of cool spots. Yes, there’s some rough areas you don’t want to wander. You can find those same type of areas in NYC, DC, Philly, Chicago... Stop fear mongering. You aren’t getting murdered anywhere you’d be as a tourist in Baltimore. 2
Misterbluesky Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: In one year? Not sure what to think then.In 2016 in July..5 games were sold out.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2019 Author Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Not sure what to think then.In 2016 in July..5 games were sold out. Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year? Edited July 30, 2019 by PromoTheRobot
Boatdrinks Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year? It’s a good question. I believe secondary market resale has been very low for 2 years now. Many season ticket buyers were subsiding their own season tickets by purchasing extras and reselling them. Perhaps this is finally impacting the box office. I’ve always questioned if the blackout had much effect , and I still don’t believe it did. Going to a game is just a different experience from watching on TV. Bills fans like to consider themselves among the most rabid fan bases in the league, but the skimpy sales suggest otherwise. Especially with the average ticket price near the bottom of the league. Perhaps complacency has set in under the Pegulas ownership, with the franchise seemingly secure for the foreseeable future. Who knows ? it’s worth pondering. 1
plenzmd1 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales. The good thing for the NFL is there’s only 8 reg season home games to sell. I think MLB will be affected the most in the long run, too many games and a relatively slow moving sport. I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize.. 13 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out? Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results. You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise. Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too. 10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right. I think there are a couple main reasons 1) These last 4 years or so of such backloaded home schedules is really discouraging for a lot of Season Ticket holders.If the games meant something, maybe a different feel. But so many of us are out of town, and its hard to justify the plane tickets/hours long car ride, taking off work Monday etc to go to a game that does not have meaning. So, you go to sell them and truly the seats are useless...cannot be sold. so you eating 35%-50% of your investment in season tickets. Even people in Buffalo choose to watch the game on TV insted of face the elements for a game with zero implications. (no blackouts).. So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year. Its not like there is ANY expectation of a home playoff whilst Brady and Belichick are there. And that domination of NE i think is also a big reason..the odds of playoffs seem so slim for the bills.fighting for 1 of 2 slots... Edited July 30, 2019 by plenzmd1 1
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2019 Author Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize.. I think there are a couple main reasons 1) These last 4 years or so of such backloaded home schedules is really discouraging for a lot of Season Ticket holders.If the games meant something, maybe a different feel. But so many of us are out of town, and its hard to justify the plane tickets/hours long car ride, taking off work Monday etc to go to a game that does not have meaning. So, you go to sell them and truly the seats are useless...cannot be sold. so you eating 35%-50% of your investment in season tickets. Even people in Buffalo choose to watch the game on TV insted of face the elements for a game with zero implications. (no blackouts).. So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year. Its not like there is ANY expectation of a home playoff whilst Brady and Belichick are there. And that domination of NE i think is also a big reason..the odds of playoffs seem so slim for the bills.fighting for 1 of 2 slots... I was referring to secondary sales. I get that you eat your December games, but now even the opener is not selling. Every opener used to sell out. Not so far this year.
Mr Info Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 I am a bit surprised that ticket sales are down. It seems like a good buyer’s time as the team appears to be laying the groundwork to start heading upward. Perhaps people need to see the winning before investing and that’s understandable. But, equating it to the stock market, when you see a new CEO with a vision appointed to a company, you invest in their stock instead of waiting for the stock to start rising. Sure, there is some risk, but you want to maximize (better seats) your opportunity while you can before demand rises. I picked up 2 more ST seats this year. I believe the Bills stock has a good potential to increase in the next 1-2 years and so will my ticket resale value.
plenzmd1 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I was referring to secondary sales. I get that you eat your December games, but now even the opener is not selling. Every opener used to sell out. Not so far this year. think that is a direct reflection of less STs as noted above, and less brokers as well.The redoing of the pricing i think drove some brokers away, and the Bills in general have been lowering the use of brokers( i think..not sure on that though) Both of those mean more available tickets..hence lower prices.... 1
Captain Hindsight Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 16 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Sure, cost comes into play, especially when the twenty-somethings can’t afford to buy a house or start a family. Football tix take a backseat. But the attention span comes into play too. Mine certainly is an issue sometimes, but that’s because between TV timeouts, replay timeouts etc the league/officiating drags these games out sometimes to the point of unwatchable. No flow. I think lots of people are against the TV timeouts and replays. Age has little to do with that.
Mr. WEO Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right. Blame the fans. oh, wait lol. Of course..
Chandler#81 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year? Easy, PTR, go Easy. You’ve asked repeatedly and been given quality answers. They may not to be to your liking, but accumulatively, they’re accurate. IF all the additions to what was a miserable offense pan out and IF we play well in joisy, I have no doubt the Cincy game will be a tough ticket.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 30, 2019 Author Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Easy, PTR, go Easy. You’ve asked repeatedly and been given quality answers. They may not to be to your liking, but accumulatively, they’re accurate. IF all the additions to what was a miserable offense pan out and IF we play well in joisy, I have no doubt the Cincy game will be a tough ticket. I think @plenzmd1 hit the nail on the head. 2
Ned Flanders Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Not one game is close to a sell out,not sure why. And you can be sure they're holding some seats back for potential season ticket buyers. When those seats open up after the first preseason game, the availability will be much greater. 14 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out? Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results. You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise. Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too. The season ticket numbers when Rex came were at an all-time high if I recall correctly. Fans bought into Rex but is it possible they haven't bought into McBean or this season's draft/FA additions?
dpberr Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 A not so bold prediction: Casino sportsbooks will not only rival bars for NFL game watching on Sundays, but will siphon off a lot of fans that would have attended the games. I expect casinos to make sportsbooks *the* deluxe sports nerd destinations that will combine gambling, food, drink and the game into a superior experience for a lot of people. Generally, I think today's NFL is peak NFL and decline in interest is inevitable.
4_kidd_4 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize.. So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year. Yeah we went to a random Indians game last year on a saturday afternoon, they took out a good part of the center field-right field lower seating and have a “plaza” type setup with bars, food carts and some SRO bleacher type seating. It was actually a really nice hangout, then we went up to the bridge/platform that they have in left field. It was a gorgeous day, and I definitely enjoyed walking around and checking out the different angles and viewing areas of the park. To your second point, yep that sums it up for me. I’ll pay the premium for the opener and go ala cart for later in the season. I don’t have the time/energy for all 8 games anymore, and I really got tired of seeing 4 games a year going for pennies on the dollar while I’m paying full price. 1
Andrew Son Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think @plenzmd1 hit the nail on the head. I think the biggest factor is the ever improving home viewing experience.
Lurker Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Lower population Nope: Geography April 1, 2010 Population Estimate (as of July 1) Census Estimates Base 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Erie County, New York 919,040 919,129 919,143 919,747 919,877 920,883 921,794 920,543 918,479 918,794 919,719 Niagara County, New York 216,469 216,485 216,479 215,709 214,713 214,110 213,322 212,366 211,534 210,866 210,433 Buffalo city, New York 261,310 261,372 261,301 260,706 260,176 260,041 259,584 258,339 256,960 256,430 256,304 Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metro Area 1,135,509 1,135,614 1,135,622 1,135,456 1,134,590 1,134,993 1,135,116 1,132,909 1,130,013 1,129,660 1,130,152 Buffalo-Cheektowaga, NY CSA 1,215,826 1,215,957 1,215,852 1,215,275 1,213,944 1,213,993 1,213,801 1,210,860 1,207,721 1,206,905 1,206,992
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