eball Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said: Could be wrong but I think Josh Allen and the entire receiving core are going to stink. The defense and the running game are going to have to carry this team. Gore is done so hopefully McCoy still has some tread left on the tires.
Niagara Bill Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Wow. This thread has a lot of revisionist history. Moulds was at best a good receiver not great. Watkins was at best an average over hyped over paid receiver not even good. Price was average. Johnson was good not great. Reed was great. HOF GREAT. Lofton was great. 1 1
Putin Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said: Could be wrong but I think Josh Allen and the entire receiving core are going to stink. The defense and the running game are going to have to carry this team. Gore is done so hopefully McCoy still has some tread left on the tires. Schopp is that you ??? 1
SoTier Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Billzfan23 said: Yeah, we’ve had individual studs like Lee Evans, Stevie Johnson, Sammy Watkins, and even T.O. but is this the best overall mix? ROTFLMAO!!! These guys are nothing special, individually or together, except in the minds of ignorant and/or delusional Bills fans. Zay Jones is barely an NFL caliber WR who wouldn't be anything more than a fourth or fifth WR on most NFL teams. Brown and Beasley are competent. Foster is promising. I suppose you conveniently "forgot" that the Bills had Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, and Marquise Goodwin in 2016 before McDermott and Beane decided that none of them was worth keeping around.
Putin Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: ROTFLMAO!!! These guys are nothing special, individually or together, except in the minds of ignorant and/or delusional Bills fans. Zay Jones is barely an NFL caliber WR who wouldn't be anything more than a fourth or fifth WR on most NFL teams. Brown and Beasley are competent. Foster is promising. I suppose you conveniently "forgot" that the Bills had Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, and Marquise Goodwin in 2016 before McDermott and Beane decided that none of them was worth keeping around. It’s a shame that he CONVENIENTLY forgot Sammy Watkins ?♂️ BTW Cole Beasley is a pretty good slot receiver Edited July 26, 2019 by Putin
nucci Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Billzfan23 said: Yeah, we’ve had individual studs like Lee Evans, Stevie Johnson, Sammy Watkins, and even T.O. but is this the best overall mix? Seriously?
Ball'n Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Wow. This thread has a lot of revisionist history. Moulds was at best a good receiver not great. Watkins was at best an average over hyped over paid receiver not even good. Price was average. Johnson was good not great. Reed was great. HOF GREAT. Lofton was great. Watkins showed flashes and had stretches but never excelled to the level expected. Price had the one year and was average. Disagree on Moulds though, give him Aaron Rodgers or another top flight QB and he would of been HOF bound. 1
Putin Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: How did we ***** up 2015 man. Added McCoy and Incognito too. Gilmore and Darby. Mario, Kyle, Jerry, Dareus. How? Maybe because we were missing the most important piece ? At the most important position !
SoTier Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Putin said: It’s a shame that he CONVENIENTLY forgot Sammy Watkins ?♂️ The OP was talking about the Bills' WR corps not individuals. He ignored the fact that in 2016 the Bills had 3 good NFL WRs on the roster who were significantly better individually and collectively than the Bills current WRs. As other posters mentioned, in 2015, the Bills had an even better WR corps because they also had Hogan.
WideRightRevenge Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Bottom line ... sans the K Gun teams ... can't rate anything WR wise for the Bills given the QB carousel of the last 20+ years .. hopefully Josh changes that not just this year but years to come and then we can make said comparison. You can see this in recent history when WR's left the team and been more productive (Woods, Goodwin, etc.). 1
SoTier Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Putin said: Maybe because we were missing the most important piece ? At the most important position ! Excuse me, but how do we know that the Bills aren't STILL "missing the most important piece"? Allen hasn't proven that he's can even be a low level competent NFL QB at this point. Taylor was at least that.
Putin Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, SoTier said: The OP was talking about the Bills' WR corps not individuals. He ignored the fact that in 2016 the Bills had 3 good NFL WRs on the roster who were significantly better individually and collectively than the Bills current WRs. As other posters mentioned, in 2015, the Bills had an even better WR corps because they also had Hogan. It’s yet to be determined if the 2016 WR Corp was better then this years will find out soon enough
SoCal Deek Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, SoTier said: Excuse me, but how do we know that the Bills aren't STILL "missing the most important piece"? Allen hasn't proven that he's can even be a low level competent NFL QB at this point. Taylor was at least that. If Tyrod was a competent QB then why isn’t he starting for another team in a league that desperately needs starting QBs. Forgive me for the old school reference but Tyrod was nothing more than a modern version of Marlin Briscoe.
Putin Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SoTier said: Excuse me, but how do we know that the Bills aren't STILL "missing the most important piece"? Allen hasn't proven that he's can even be a low level competent NFL QB at this point. Taylor was at least that. No we don’t know ! But what we do know is that Taylor was NOT going to get any better actually he regressed ( from his first year as a starter ) Allen on the other hand showed some promise last year without OL , running game , or a competent WR Corp Edited July 26, 2019 by Putin 1
Pete Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 I want to see some packages with Brown, Foster, Beasley, Knox, and Singletary. Brown and Foster will open up everything. We know Allen has the arm, defenses must respect that. I am picturing Beasley, Knox, and Singletary finding soft spots underneath 2
Buffalo Boy Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 9 hours ago, CommonCents said: I don’t understand the discussion. This is the equivalent of me becoming a porn star because all the other applicants were midgets. Who exactly are these guys better than? Stevie Johnson and Roscoe Parrish? I see you watched my most reason film, “ Half man, ALL fun” 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 WR is actually the only position group that I'm really worried about. I don't feel like we have a WR on this roster that you really have to game plan for. I'm hoping someone steps up during TC and pre season but I'm not sure that's going to happen. I will try and stay optimistic about this group but I just see a bunch of mid level number 2's. 2
Dopey Posted July 26, 2019 Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: Wow. This thread has a lot of revisionist history. Moulds was at best a good receiver not great. Watkins was at best an average over hyped over paid receiver not even good. Price was average. Johnson was good not great. Reed was great. HOF GREAT. Lofton was great. I want to start with, I know this is subjective. Here's my take: Moulds was way better than just good. I would even say, trade Moulds for Reed on that team and Moulds is in the HOF. No doubt. I didn't say he was better than Reed, different circumstances, but that dude was a stud. Moulds on that team would have been scary good. Reed had Kelly, the K Gun and a team with HOF's all around. Moulds had Kelly in Kelly's last year in the NFL. Bledsoe came in 6 years after Kelly retired. That's a long time with mediocre to bad QB play for Moulds(Todd Collins,Van Pelt, Flutie, and Rob Johnson). Moulds was way better than just good and under the circumstances, bordering great to me. 2
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