Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: and obstructing, or trying to obstruct, that investigation is a crime. Mueller testified he wasn't obstructed. His investigation wasn't deterred or interfered with at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Witness tampering. This is a criminal enterprise They're going to go after him for all this stuff when he's done as POTUS. The left is too emotional, and they'll want revenge for the slights they think they've faced under the Trump administration. The far left won't be satisfied until Trump is behind bars. Edited July 24, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Federal law enforcement has an awful lot of latitude that pretty much allows it. Not arguing that they do or don’t. Just making it clear what actually happened here. I agree with the President. This should not happen to another President...ever! We’ve ventured into slippery slope territory here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: and obstructing, or trying to obstruct, that investigation is a crime. That was my point. Federal law enforcement is allowed to investigate an non-existent crime, to attempt to "create" a real crime of obstruction. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Mueller testified he wasn't obstructed. His investigation wasn't deterred or interfered with at all. but Trump intented to obstruct..and intent is all that is needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: But he can be charged for it once he's out of the White House. And there is evidence. The question would become if a prosecutor can convince a jury that it happened, based off written evidence and testimony from witnesses. If you're speaking generally, every president can be charged for "it" when they leave office. The dead ones are probably safe, but what about Gerald Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: unless you want to show the evidence in court..its all speculation..saying "i know, but i cant tell ya how" is speculation, plain and simple The evidence is out there. Mueller accuses Mifsud of lying three times -- but didn't charge him despite charging everyone else who lied to his team. Every one. So, why would he let Mifsud slide but no one else? It is because Mifsud is right at the origin of the entire thing. And compromising him would reveal the entire investigation was started under false pretenses. This isn't even speculation anymore. It's backed by reams of evidence. Much of it available here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: They're going to go after him for all this stuff when he's done as POTUS. The left is too emotional, and they'll want revenge for the slights they think they've faced under the Trump administration. Attorney General Kamala Harris. Dems have to go after someone that worked with a foreign power to steal an election, they have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: If you're speaking generally, every president can be charged for "it" when they leave office. The dead ones are probably safe, but what about Gerald Ford? Ford's dead too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I do have access to the DOJ (kinda) You are very important! That’s why you spend your life on a sub forum of a football site! ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: That was my point. Federal law enforcement is allowed to investigate an non-existent crime, to attempt to "create" a real crime of obstruction. so let me ask..you are saying they can truly make up an investigation on a crime they know not to have occurred? That i did not know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: and obstructing, or trying to obstruct, that investigation is a crime. Trump must be REALLY bad at ‘trying to obstruct’ then because Mueller testifies that he wasn’t obstructed. This is bizarro world stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: unless you want to show the evidence in court..its all speculation..saying "i know, but i cant tell ya how" is speculation, plain and simple It'll be shown in court. But not by DR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: They're going to go after him for all this stuff when he's done as POTUS. The left is too emotional, and they'll want revenge for the slights they think they've faced under the Trump administration. The far left won't be satisfied until Trump is behind bars. Who is doing the questioning today? The left or the far left? I can't see a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: The evidence is out there. Mueller accuses Mifsud of lying three times -- but didn't charge him despite charging everyone else who lied to his team. Every one. So, why would he let Mifsud slide but no one else? It is because Mifsud is right at the origin of the entire thing. And compromising him would reveal the entire investigation was started under false pretenses. This isn't even speculation anymore. It's backed by reams of evidence. Much of it available here. again, that is speculation...you thnik it is proof..until i see something or someone from DOJ testifies that is the reason no charge, speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Buftex said: There was so much obstruction, trying to prove conspiracy was not possible. That's false. The investigation was not interfered with, stalled, or shut down per Mueller's own words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) who is this dummy? This woman is a bigger tool than Jordan! Edited July 24, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Trump must be REALLY bad at ‘trying to obstruct’ then because Mueller testifies that he wasn’t obstructed. This is bizarro world stuff. He didn't really say that...at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Dems have to go after someone that worked with a foreign power to steal an election, they have to Agreed. Time to get them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: again, that is speculation...you thnik it is proof..until i see something or someone from DOJ testifies that is the reason no charge, speculation It's not speculation to state Mifsud is at the center of the origin, or if he was compromised it would destroy the entire foundation of the case. That's factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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