Chicharito Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 First off I have now been to 5 nfl stadiums with “downtown” settings. Cleveland, Denver, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and now Jacksonville. I went to The Rolling Stones concert in Jacksonville last night. If the nfl wants to pressure the bills to build a new stadium Jacksonville has to build a new one. That stadium is small. I can’t even believe The playing surface is big enough for an nfl game. I literally felt like I was on top of the person next to me. Kind of like being at Fenway Park. With th the obvious traffic problem that will persist if and when a new stadium is built downtown will be atrocious. All DT stadiums have these problems so please Mr. and MRS. Pegula don’t do it. 2 1
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chicharito said: First off I have now been to 5 nfl stadiums with “downtown” settings. Cleveland, Denver, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and now Jacksonville. I went to The Rolling Stones concert in Jacksonville last night. If the nfl wants to pressure the bills to build a new stadium Jacksonville has to build a new one. That stadium is small. I can’t even believe The playing surface is big enough for an nfl game. I literally felt like I was on top of the person next to me. Kind of like being at Fenway Park. With th the obvious traffic problem that will persist if and when a new stadium is built downtown will be atrocious. All DT stadiums have these problems so please Mr. and MRS. Pegula don’t do it. Traffic is unavoidable when you have 70K people in one place, be it Orchard Park or Downtown Buffalo. 2 1
BuffAlone Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Traffic is unavoidable when you have 70K people in one place, be it Orchard Park or Downtown Buffalo. Idk...at least leaving OP, there's a back door route thru Akron that can still put you on I-90 in 30 minutes. Most people just don't know it. Sure as hell beats waiting in line, even if you go 20 miles out of your way you can still be ahead of the curve
Augie Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Chicharito said: First off I have now been to 5 nfl stadiums with “downtown” settings. Cleveland, Denver, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and now Jacksonville. I went to The Rolling Stones concert in Jacksonville last night. If the nfl wants to pressure the bills to build a new stadium Jacksonville has to build a new one. That stadium is small. I can’t even believe The playing surface is big enough for an nfl game. I literally felt like I was on top of the person next to me. Kind of like being at Fenway Park. With th the obvious traffic problem that will persist if and when a new stadium is built downtown will be atrocious. All DT stadiums have these problems so please Mr. and MRS. Pegula don’t do it. I heard it was a great show. Hope you enjoyed, despite the stadium. The Stones probably fill it better than Jags fans. I’ve been to a few games there and I can’t say I love it. Worse than your concert experience was sitting there during an early season game. You could have cooked a turkey in my seat! At one point we were the only two people from our row still outside. (Hey! I paid $250 each and I wanted to sit in my seat!) We eventually gave up and went into the concession area with AC to watch on a tiny monitor. Florida teams need domes more than northern teams....THAT was ridiculous! (To be fair, Marcus Stroud had just joined the BIlls from Jags, and he said it was the hottest game HE ever played in.) However, I never had a real problem with the traffic in Jax. Just getting out of some lots in OP was worse at times. As for the bold, I have not found that to be the case at all. You complained about the quality of the stadium, then blamed a downtown location. I don’t care what the Bills do as long as they remain in WNY, so this is not a proponent of a DT stadium take. I’m neutral. Edited July 20, 2019 by Augie
123719bwiqrb Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 I'm a north towner, so once I can sneak over to route 5 and head north, I'm golden! And I agree, just do a new stadium or revamp the old one with a covered seating area. No to downtown. 2
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 What are the chances they build a site that both the Bills and Sabres share? Maybe not literally the same facility, but 2 stadiums on the same site? I have heard the Sabres could use a new arena too, so maybe get them both done at once?
Beast Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said: What are the chances they build a site that both the Bills and Sabres share? Maybe not literally the same facility, but 2 stadiums on the same site? I have heard the Sabres could use a new arena too, so maybe get them both done at once? The Pegula’s just developed the land around the Sabres arena. Unless the Bills move next door to that there is no chance.
Bob in STL Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Jax should not have a franchise. Love the black tarp trash bags that cover their end zone seats. Small stadium and only half filled. The Jags franchise should have been awarded to St Louis who had a great proposal, a dome stadium, loyal fans, and local ownership. Instead St Louis ended up paying a Kings Ransom for the Rams, forced to buy PSLs, take external ownership, and are eventually held hostage for another new stadium or else a move to LA. So no team in St Louis, the Rams owners move the team to LA and then steal the Chargers from San Diego. Meanwhile po-dunk Jacksonville has a team and still can’t draw flies. Be thankful for the Pegulas.
billsredneck1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) They just spent 25 mil on the sport science facility which is not equaled anywhere in the league. the surroundings in op are great. i hope they just upgrade. downtown would suck. Edited July 20, 2019 by billsredneck1
Buffalo716 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 52 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Traffic is unavoidable when you have 70K people in one place, be it Orchard Park or Downtown Buffalo. That's true but Buffalo has a terrible grid pattern for streets and exit ways It was designed around beautiful park systems in a radical European style not automobile traffic and it's never been updated
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's true but Buffalo has a terrible grid pattern for streets and exit ways It was designed around beautiful park systems in a radical European style not automobile traffic and it's never been updated I want to see a legit this study before I accept that it won't work in Buffalo. I know Polancarz made a reference to it not working but nothing about why.
Boatdrinks Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: They just spent 25 mil on the sport science facility which is not equaled anywhere in the league. the surroundings in op are great. i hope they just upgrade. downtown would suck. What meaningful upgrades are possible in that stadium with its sunken design ? Something that would give actual pricing power ? Fewer seats can be accomplished for certain, but climate control ? Much wider concourses with better concessions and larger restrooms ? I’m not an expert, but I’ve read about these issues when previous renovations were done. A reno won’t be cheap, and the improvements may not go far enough. Any revenue increases will need to come from ticket pricing structure and concessions because a stadium won’t change the corporate situation in Buffalo. 19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's true but Buffalo has a terrible grid pattern for streets and exit ways It was designed around beautiful park systems in a radical European style not automobile traffic and it's never been updated Buffalo could improve its traffic flow by fixing the ridiculously poor traffic light timing, for starters. It’s haphazard, nonsensical and horrific. 1
Boatdrinks Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicharito said: First off I have now been to 5 nfl stadiums with “downtown” settings. Cleveland, Denver, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and now Jacksonville. I went to The Rolling Stones concert in Jacksonville last night. If the nfl wants to pressure the bills to build a new stadium Jacksonville has to build a new one. That stadium is small. I can’t even believe The playing surface is big enough for an nfl game. I literally felt like I was on top of the person next to me. Kind of like being at Fenway Park. With th the obvious traffic problem that will persist if and when a new stadium is built downtown will be atrocious. All DT stadiums have these problems so please Mr. and MRS. Pegula don’t do it. The Jaguars are still seven spots ahead of the Bills in revenue, even with their stadium. They are also playing a game in London every year, so their situation is somewhat tenuous. Hope you enjoyed the concert. I was thinking of going to that one, but the prices spiked dramatically the last couple weeks. I caught them a few weeks ago in Canada though, ( great show ) and am going to see them in Philly on Tuesday. They sound great, but who knows when it ends ? This could be the last time....
ProcessTruster Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: They just spent 25 mil on the sport science facility which is not equaled anywhere in the league. the surroundings in op are great. i hope they just upgrade. downtown would suck. yeah, just update the Ralph. Can't be that hard.
Ol Dirty B Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: Idk...at least leaving OP, there's a back door route thru Akron that can still put you on I-90 in 30 minutes. Most people just don't know it. Sure as hell beats waiting in line, even if you go 20 miles out of your way you can still be ahead of the curve Yep... I didnt know about this route but a cop at a stop directed me, take this way. What you're doing is going to take forever. My hat off to him. I did however sit in stop and go traffic for an hour on I90, so the point still stands. Traffic is always going to be an issue leaving a venue with 70 or 50 thousand people there. No way around it. 48 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: They just spent 25 mil on the sport science facility which is not equaled anywhere in the league. the surroundings in op are great. i hope they just upgrade. downtown would suck. The stadium has almost nothing to do with the sports science facility. I'm sure it could have some use on game days, but nothing that couldn't be replicated in a new stadium. You can practice and use that facility during the week and play downtown. They have little do with each other. 2
billsredneck1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: What meaningful upgrades are possible in that stadium with its sunken design ? Something that would give actual pricing power ? Fewer seats can be accomplished for certain, but climate control ? Much wider concourses with better concessions and larger restrooms ? I’m not an expert, but I’ve read about these issues when previous renovations were done. A reno won’t be cheap, and the improvements may not go far enough. Any revenue increases will need to come from ticket pricing structure and concessions because a stadium won’t change the corporate situation in Buffalo. Buffalo could improve its traffic flow by fixing the ridiculously poor traffic light timing, for starters. It’s haphazard, nonsensical and horrific. true points ,but the cost of a new stadium will come from taxpayers, not the pegs. i don't know if a retractable roof is feasible but, if considerably less than a new stadium, they could promote big stuff year round. in any case downtown would still suck. 37 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Yep... I didnt know about this route but a cop at a stop directed me, take this way. What you're doing is going to take forever. My hat off to him. I did however sit in stop and go traffic for an hour on I90, so the point still stands. Traffic is always going to be an issue leaving a venue with 70 or 50 thousand people there. No way around it. The stadium has almost nothing to do with the sports science facility. I'm sure it could have some use on game days, but nothing that couldn't be replicated in a new stadium. You can practice and use that facility during the week and play downtown. They have little do with each other. well i'm sticking with the hell no to downtown. they didn't just put 25 mil into a temp. site. it's meant to be an all in one location.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: yeah, just update the Ralph. Can't be that hard. Coat of paint? Sure. Anything else? Not that easy, or cheap. And as @Kirby Jackson points out, you can't significantly upgrade the price structure in the same old stadium. This is what's it's mostly about. Edited July 20, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1
Mr. WEO Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 A new stadium and a new arena would completely screw Erie County.
Don Otreply Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 I guess the OP is going to be disappointed then. When the new stadium is built it’s gonna be downtown. Just imagine, a city with tens of thousands of people on the streets, a vibrant city, a city with the name BUFFALO attached to it. Wouldn’t that be a great day for BUFFALO New York? I sure hope all you BUFFALO BILLS fans think that would be a very good thing to have happen. Go Bills!!!
billsredneck1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A new stadium and a new arena would completely screw Erie County. ya think? andy isn't gonna do that. best bet is have the senecas take the job and put a sports betting casino in it....with a hotel next door. don't be surprised... 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: I guess the OP is going to be disappointed then. When the new stadium is built it’s gonna be downtown. Just imagine, a city with tens of thousands of people on the streets, a vibrant city, a city with the name BUFFALO attached to it. Wouldn’t that be a great day for BUFFALO New York? I sure hope all you BUFFALO BILLS fans think that would be a very good thing to have happen. Go Bills!!! no offense but i give more credence to those who actually live in the area.
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