SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I just wanted to pop in one more time to say what an awful idea 18 games is. It's very clear that the fans don't want it, the coaches don't want it, the players don't want it. ONLY the greedy owners want it. Just an awful, awful idea. It's going to be a real bummer watching the NFL orchestrate its own demise in the coming years due to nothing more than greed. I disagree. Ask any Seasons holders and ask them Who wants to pay full price for a meaningless PS game? transfer that cost to a real game 1
row_33 Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I disagree. Ask any Seasons holders and ask them Who wants to pay full price for a meaningless PS game? transfer that cost to a real game semantics... i paid, say $800 for 8 regular and 2 preseason games when i had seasons just because the tickets printed $80 per game doesn't make it so. i considered it $100 for regular season and zilch for the preseasons (usually went to the first one and gave away the second for nothing) why stop at 18? why not 22? isn't that better? think of the gambling and fantasy league fun that would increase....
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: semantics... i paid, say $800 for 8 regular and 2 preseason games when i had seasons just because the tickets printed $80 per game doesn't make it so. i considered it $100 for regular season and zilch for the preseasons (usually went to the first one and gave away the second for nothing) why stop at 18? why not 22? isn't that better? think of the gambling and fantasy league fun that would increase.... Hey now. No fuzzy math allowed !!!
row_33 Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Hey now. No fuzzy math allowed !!! you seriously contemplated asking someone for (say) $80 for a preseason cause it was on the ticket? i wouldn't even ask for a sip of someone's beer for my second preseason game, a few times there were no takers at all for free.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) trade 2 PS for real games and it's a basic wash. If the starters want to rest.... Blow the opponent out in the first half and ride the bench the 2nd half 1 minute ago, row_33 said: you seriously contemplated asking someone for (say) $80 for a preseason cause it was on the ticket? i wouldn't even ask for a sip of someone's beer for my second preseason game, a few times there were no takers at all for free. It is how it was explained to me. people had complained they were forced to pay top $ for PS games. they divided by 18 and not 16. their logic ... the owners don't give tickets away Edited August 27, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan
row_33 Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: trade 2 PS for real games and it's a basic wash. If the starters want to rest.... Blow the opponent out in the first half and ride the bench the 2nd half i have read that everyone who played on a given regular season Sunday winds up with an injury that would be serious in most other sports. keep stretching their limits and watch them collapse real fast
Logic Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I disagree. Ask any Seasons holders and ask them Who wants to pay full price for a meaningless PS game? transfer that cost to a real game I'm all for eliminating two preseason games. Adding two regular season games, however, is another matter. As it is, by the time we get to the last week of the regular season, every team is a walking MASH unit. I have no interest in seeing bad football with 2nd teamers in weeks 18 and 19. I also have no interest in seeing the record books invalidated/obliterated because now the players get 18 games instead of 16. I realize that the league has already extended its season on a few occasions in the past: from 12 to 14 and then from 14 to 16 games. That's where it should end, in my opinion. Profootballtalk and other outlets have done polls of NFL fans asking this very question, and in every single case, the "don't extend the regular season" option is the winner. By and large, fans don't want it.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: semantics... i paid, say $800 for 8 regular and 2 preseason games when i had seasons just because the tickets printed $80 per game doesn't make it so. i considered it $100 for regular season and zilch for the preseasons (usually went to the first one and gave away the second for nothing) why stop at 18? why not 22? isn't that better? think of the gambling and fantasy league fun that would increase.... Can you do that? Just change the calculation to "its $100 per reg season game"? What's next--you're only paying for the games when they win? This is a slippery slope to socialism. Or capitalism. One of the ism's for sure.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Logic said: I just wanted to pop in one more time to say what an awful idea 18 games is. It's very clear that the fans don't want it The highlighted is total nonsense...........fans can't get enough football. The owners want it because they know the demand for more NFL product is immense and they are wasting an opportunity with their abbreviated 5 month season/postseason. They are also battling for attention with a league like the NBA.......the NBA is growing in part because they allow the league's best players to change teams............the NFL doesn't want that. They need to make their season longer and more compelling to continue their dominance over other forms of entertainment that compete for the same eyeballs and dollars. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted August 27, 2019 Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Logic said: As it is, by the time we get to the last week of the regular season, every team is a walking MASH unit. More hyperbolic BS. There is attrition in any season............yet most of the teams in the playoffs are playing most of their good players in those playoffs..........they aren't all "walking Mash units". What you say "sounds" like it might be true.......but how often do we get to the end of another Bills regular season and say that the team played poorly down the stretch due to injury and wear and tear? Kinda' never is the answer.
Logic Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The highlighted is total nonsense...........fans can't get enough football. The owners want it because they know the demand for more NFL product is immense and they are wasting an opportunity with their abbreviated 5 month season/postseason. They are also battling for attention with a league like the NBA.......the NBA is growing in part because they allow the league's best players to change teams............the NFL doesn't want that. They need to make their season longer and more compelling to continue their dominance over other forms of entertainment that compete for the same eyeballs and dollars. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/ The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows. A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16. More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games. Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference). The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association. Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it.
Saxum Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 If Mike Florio says one thing I believe opposite despite what twits voted for. I would not mind a longer season with more bye weeks with slightly larger roster and less preseason games and less restrictions by NFLPA on contact in practice.
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If Mike Florio says one thing I believe opposite despite what twits voted for. I would not mind a longer season with more bye weeks with slightly larger roster and less preseason games and less restrictions by NFLPA on contact in practice. SB in March would make it more equitable for northern teams to host outdoors
Mat68 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 This is the owners playing 3 d chess. The 18 games, 16 player restriction is stupid. However, the conversation begins from the NFLPA. How much would the extra weeks provide in revenue? Boom, you are now negotiating a 18 game schedule.
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mat68 said: This is the owners playing 3 d chess. The 18 games, 16 player restriction is stupid. However, the conversation begins from the NFLPA. How much would the extra weeks provide in revenue? Boom, you are now negotiating a 18 game schedule. why not 24 games? that would increase revenue even more
Saxum Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, row_33 said: SB in March would make it more equitable for northern teams to host outdoors Northern teams will get short end of stick no matter what schedule the NFL uses and I think it should be accounted for in profit sharing. And I believe season should start earlier in season rather than extend to March if you are removing preseason games which you could see gives Southern teams advantages with heat.
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 Just have 2 or even 3 bye weeks. Take 2 preseason games away. The pieces are there to make it work. Also if you are up by a few scores in a game...you can take players out. I really don’t understand how the players won’t even listen to these proposals. You could add 2 by weeks. Give the league an extra 3 weeks of games basically. That’s a lot more money. And the players will end up with even more rest. It definitely can work. Don’t add silly game restrictions for players. That makes it ridiculous. Just give these guys 3 bye weeks. Then they never have to play more then 5 or 6 weeks straight.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/ The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows. A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16. More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games. Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference). The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association. Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it. What is clear is that you don't understand how marketing an addictive or impulse buy product works. The amount people actually WANT is the amount that they will consume. They will consume the sh*t out of 18 regular season games. 24% of people who are self-aware enough to know that they WILL want to watch those games sounds about right.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: why not 24 games? that would increase revenue even more I can still remember hearing the old men b*tching about the NFL going from 14 to 16 games. Ralph was forcing them to buy an extra game to keep their season tickets! But I've been to hundreds of Bills games and never heard anyone complain that the season was too long.
Gugny Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Logic said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/15/the-fans-seem-to-want-to-stick-with-16-games/ The fans seem to want to stick with 16 games Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2019, 12:00 AM EDT With the sudden proliferation of stories about the NFL’s desire to expand the season to 18 games, we decided on Friday to get scientific. Or as close to scientific as social media allows. A Twitter poll asked you, the reader, to vote on four options for the length of a season: 16 games, 17 games, 18 games, or 18 games with maximum player participation of 16. More than 44,000 responded, and the initial returns nearly matched the final numbers. A whopping 62 percent of those who responded want to stick with 16 games. Of the remaining 36 percent, most (24 percent) wanted 18 games. And nine percent opted for 18 games with the 16 per-player limit. Only five percent cast a vote for a 17-game season (which is my own personal preference). The idea of playing 18 games with a limit of 16 per player has lingered for several years. The NFL reportedly has proposed the concept during labor negotiations with the NFL Players Association. Many have criticized the concept, loudly. Fans don’t like it, the media doesn’t like it, players don’t like it. Packers CEO Mark Murphy spoke out against it. Just sit back and let him educate you. He's a football genius. And you know what else? He's untouchable. Just ask him about either and he'll tell ya! You're dumb. He's smart. Just live with it. 1
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