PetermansRedemption Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: “Market value” AKA, the insane deal Le’Veon Bell received from the Jets who were bidding against themselves.
DrDawkinstein Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 Ballsy move considering the general value of RBs in the league, as it pertains to importance on the field. But I understand where he is coming from since he had his knee blown out on a stupid Double Reverse call, and has to avoid the Franchise Tag next year. I hope he gets what he wants because Im all for player empowerment when it comes to the NFL. But if I were the Chargers, I'd be like "Yeah, right, bye".
3rdand12 Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ballsy move considering the general value of RBs in the league, as it pertains to importance on the field. But I understand where he is coming from since he had his knee blown out on a stupid Double Reverse call, and has to avoid the Franchise Tag next year. I hope he gets what he wants because Im all for player empowerment when it comes to the NFL. But if I were the Chargers, I'd be like "Yeah, right, bye". cold hearted Dr. he has served them well and is key to Chargers game. find some common ground is best for all
YoloinOhio Posted July 11, 2019 Author Posted July 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ballsy move considering the general value of RBs in the league, as it pertains to importance on the field. But I understand where he is coming from since he had his knee blown out on a stupid Double Reverse call, and has to avoid the Franchise Tag next year. I hope he gets what he wants because Im all for player empowerment when it comes to the NFL. But if I were the Chargers, I'd be like "Yeah, right, bye". Hard part for LAC is the super bowl window that is closing with rivers, and they are so close
PetermansRedemption Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Hard part for LAC is the super bowl window that is closing with rivers, and they are so close As Teddy KGB says “Pay that man his money”
3rdand12 Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 yep tough call for Chargers i think. not for me. i would pay him. Unless they are doing another rebuild already. who backs up Rivers again lol
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 I think the player has almost zero leverage at this point. I don't see the Chargers throwing Gurley type money at him. They may very well offer him an extension with significant money but nothing crazy. As someone already pointed out, he has missed a bunch of games and the team will be somewhat reluctant to break the bank with a ton of guaranteed money. They have several contracts to deal with next season that will play into this situation. If he sits for a season, he'll miss out on earnings for this year and will still be looking at the franchise tag in 2020. If LA lets him walk after 2020, he will be in significantly less demand than Bell was. He shouldn't count on another team being as dumb as the Jets. The Chargers have some options as well. There are still some unsigned veteran backs available and there are always a few late cuts in camps around the league. Ekeler is a decent third down back who could fit with a couple of veterans to make a workable committee. I don't think LA will panic and cave in for crazy money. It will be best for both sides to reach a deal and I think Gordon deserves a reasonable extension. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: yep tough call for Chargers i think. not for me. i would pay him. Unless they are doing another rebuild already. who backs up Rivers again lol But in the next few years they have to pay Rivers, Keenan, Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Desmond King, Derwin James, and Hunter Henry... Ekeler behind Gordon hasnt looked bad at all. Do you really tie up $12M/year on a RB? 1
YoloinOhio Posted July 11, 2019 Author Posted July 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: But in the next few years they have to pay Rivers, Keenan, Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Desmond King, Derwin James, and Hunter Henry... Ekeler behind Gordon hasnt looked bad at all. Do you really tie up $12M/year on a RB? Ekeler hasn’t looked nearly as good when he’s been the main RB (when Gordon was hurt) 1
Capco Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 He might be able to squeak out a deal closer to 40 million over 4 years with +25 guaranteed. The only issue is that (imo) it is risky to tie up significant amounts of guaranteed $$ in a RB because they get hit so often. I have no idea if RBs are the most statistically prone to injury (kinda feels like DBs are at the top and OL at the bottom), but they definitely take the most pounding. 1
Starr Almighty Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 So I was thinking why don't we offer Shady for Gordon in a trade 1
US Egg Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Do you really tie up $12M/year on a RB? Only if you have more than one season as a 2000 yards from scrimmage RB and are 25 or younger. Edited July 12, 2019 by I am the egg man
Ol Dirty B Posted July 11, 2019 Posted July 11, 2019 8 hours ago, dneveu said: Considering most running backs really only get 2 contracts - and he's averaged about 1200 total yards and 10 TDs per year. I don't really blame him. Hard to determine his value - he's not gurley or bell, but he's also 26 and if he plays out this year he's subject to a tag year - thats 11 million in 2019. Assuming he plays well this year and gets tagged next year he'd make approximately 16-17 million. He's now 28 - the team will have drafted his replacement and "his best days are behind him" so he ends up with a modest mark ingram style deal (3yr 15 mil 6 guaranteed). He probably plays out 2 and makes 10. So he made 26 million - if he plays well and doesnt get hurt. He signs a big deal now in the realm of the bell 4 and 50 - he gets 25ish guaranteed at signing. If he plays well he probably makes more of that 50, or signs a 2nd deal when he gets cut - if he doesn't play well (or gets hurt) he still makes the same 26 he would have made by playing out his 5th year option/tag. From a business perspective running backs kind of have to be selfish... This is a great level headed response. The way the league, correctly, has turned towards younger rb's on rookie contracts he almost has to hold out now to maximize his value. If he tears an ACL or something he's not getting 5 mil as a free agent. Hold outs really don't bother me in the NFL anymore. They play the most physical sport, (could argue hockey is too) and they don't have guaranteed contracts. Teams will dump you at the most opportune time. Their is so much money in that league, and they beg for handouts on stadiums. I'm always happy when a player gets paid if it's not putting the Bills in a bad cap spot. Gordon seems like a good guy, good player, doesn't get in trouble. Hope he gets paid. 5 hours ago, Capco said: He might be able to squeak out a deal closer to 40 million over 4 years with +25 guaranteed. The only issue is that (imo) it is risky to tie up significant amounts of guaranteed $$ in a RB because they get hit so often. I have no idea if RBs are the most statistically prone to injury (kinda feels like DBs are at the top and OL at the bottom), but they definitely take the most pounding. I agree, I think what goes on with RB's is they rely so much on their physical attributes that decline so quickly. I think speed and agility go quicker than strength and technique. And those two attributes can be impacted by an injury more in my opinion. I agree though, OL's seem to get hurt a lot. It's a dirty job, but I think the injury once they recover impacts performance less. Wood and Levitre both had bad injuries, and rebounded well. At least I think levitre had a bad injury, I could be incorrect now that i think about it. 3
Boca BIlls Posted July 12, 2019 Posted July 12, 2019 9 hours ago, aristocrat said: Rivers is also on the final year of his deal. You mean final season of his career? 1
Ol Dirty B Posted July 12, 2019 Posted July 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: You mean final season of his career? Yea I didn't really get that either. I like Rivers, and they probably should have done more to address the future, but idk about making him a priority over younger players. Even considering the importance of his position and how the RB is valued now. I'm sure they can make it work. Rivers seems like a guy who wants a championship, if he values Gordon I think he would take into consideration his needs when it comes to what is probably his last contract if he re-ups.
NoSaint Posted July 12, 2019 Posted July 12, 2019 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: Makes you wonder how much players know about the agents strategy before it's put in place... Or says he just didn’t want to talk about it with a random reporter at an awards show
Saxum Posted July 12, 2019 Posted July 12, 2019 This is why 2 or 3 complementary backs are better in my opinion. One holdout does not ruin season or financial spreadsheet. Trading for him would be a big mistake. 1
Rc2catch Posted July 12, 2019 Posted July 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Limeaid said: This is why 2 or 3 complementary backs are better in my opinion. One holdout does not ruin season or financial spreadsheet. Trading for him would be a big mistake. I would agree. No reason to give up picks for him and then signing him to a big extension. If they value him enough they can target him next year in free agency if he sits out, although I wouldn’t like that either. He’s had real issues staying healthy since being in the league.
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