MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) I created an index to rank super bowl era coaches. Let me start by saying that I didn't include ALL coaches who ever coaches. That would have been really tough. I consulted winningest coaches lists to create my own list, and then scored them based on win percentage (100 points times their win percentage), playoff appearances (10 points per appearance), conference championships (20 points per championship), and superbowl wins (30 points per win). I only included coaches who had an overall winning record. Let me know if you think I left off any big ones. Here's how the top 20 worked out (blue indicates a current NFL coach, red indicates a former Bills coach): (Updated to include Jimmy Johnson. I foolishly omitted him. Sorry folks ) This is a very simple index and doesn't account for anything besides winning and playoff performance. For those interested in Bills coaches, I also indexed all of them: (For those wondering why Marv's points differ, it's because the first ranking takes into account his Chiefs time as coach.) Edited June 28, 2019 by MJS 3 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: I created an index to rank super bowl era coaches. Let me start by saying that I didn't include ALL coaches who ever coaches. That would have been really tough. I consulted winningest coaches lists to create my own list, and then scored them based on win percentage (100 points times their win percentage), playoff appearances (10 points per appearance), conference championships (20 points per championship), and superbowl wins (30 points per win). I only included coaches who had an overall winning record. Let me know if you think I left off any big ones. Here's how the top 20 worked out (blue indicates a current NFL coach, red indicates a former Bills coach): This is a very simple index and doesn't account for anything besides winning and playoff performance. For those interested in Bills coaches, I also indexed all of them: Flat out shocking to see Jauron elbowing his way to #10...just shows the degree of ineptitude this franchise that we are lucky or unlucky enough to love, has suffered at the hands of football ignoramuses through the years with few notable exceptions. Here’s to hoping we have turned the corner!!
MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Oh, and here's all the current head coaches. Oddly enough Sean McDermott is tied with good old Doug Marrone: 2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Flat out shocking to see Jauron elbowing his way to #10...just shows the degree of ineptitude this franchise that we are lucky or unlucky enough to love, has suffered at the hands of football ignoramuses through the years with few notable exceptions. Here’s to hoping we have turned the corner!! It was shocking to me that Sean McDermott is already 5th in franchise history. THAT shows how bad it has been, to me. He has a single playoff appearance to his name and a below .500 win percentage. I do like him though. Edited June 28, 2019 by MJS 2
row_33 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: It was shocking to me that Sean McDermott is already 5th in franchise history. THAT shows how bad it has been, to me. He has a single playoff appearance to his name and a below .500 win percentage. I do like him though. The roll call of a few forgotten names would cause many of us to have a panic attack.... 1
Seasons1992 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: It was shocking to me that Sean McDermott is already 5th in franchise history. THAT shows how bad it has been, to me. He has a single playoff appearance to his name and a below .500 win percentage. I do like him though. This team has been BAD for MANY years outside of a few. Happy we have the people/team in place from top to bottom that will succeed, finally. Yeah I said it. Yeah I had a couple beers out at lunch also......................................... 1
row_33 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: This team has been BAD for MANY years outside of a few. Happy we have the people/team in place from top to bottom that will succeed, finally. Yeah I said it. Yeah I had a couple beers out at lunch also......................................... 12 years at the most since 1973 have been above horrible 1
Cripple Creek Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: I created an index to rank super bowl era coaches. Let me start by saying that I didn't include ALL coaches who ever coaches. That would have been really tough. I consulted winningest coaches lists to create my own list, and then scored them based on win percentage (100 points times their win percentage), playoff appearances (10 points per appearance), conference championships (20 points per championship), and superbowl wins (30 points per win). I only included coaches who had an overall winning record. Let me know if you think I left off any big ones. Here's how the top 20 worked out (blue indicates a current NFL coach, red indicates a former Bills coach): This is a very simple index and doesn't account for anything besides winning and playoff performance. So a SB win would get you 30+20+10? Or do you get 10 for each playoff game won in a post season plus the bonuses for conference and SB win? I’m surprised to see Walsh that low, would have guessed higher.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 I don't quite understand the ranking system your using, I guess it's based off points/wins? but as for the bills coaches, I would rank them based off championships and Lou has two back to back afl championships.
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Rex Ryan is listed as out 6th best HC of all time, God that is downright embarrassing
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Whatever methodology you used that ranks SuperBowl winning coaches below ones that have not and leaves out two time SuperBowl Champion Jimmy Johnson is severely flawed.
mannc Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Bud Grant over Bill Walsh....I think you need a new system. i think a few Packer fans would disagree with McCarthy over Lombardi, too. Edited June 28, 2019 by mannc 1
MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: So a SB win would get you 30+20+10? Or do you get 10 for each playoff game won in a post season plus the bonuses for conference and SB win? I’m surprised to see Walsh that low, would have guessed higher. Yes, if you go to and win the Superbowl you get 10 points for each playoff appearance, plus 20 for a conference championship, plus 30 for the win in the super bowl. 1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I don't quite understand the ranking system your using, I guess it's based off points/wins? but as for the bills coaches, I would rank them based off championships and Lou has two back to back afl championships. Each aspect is assigned points which are then added up for your total score. Your overall win percentage gives you points out of 100, so if you have a .500 win percentage, that's 50 points. Then you get 10 points for each playoff appearance. Then you get 20 points for each conference championship win. Then you get 30 points for each super bowl win. Saban's AFL championships count for 20 points each, equivalent to a conference championship. But in the overall coach ranking, I only consider super bowl era coaches. 1
MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, mannc said: Bud Grant over Bill Walsh....I think you need a new system. i think a few Packer fans would disagree with McCarthy over Lombardi, too. Lombardi didn't play all that long in the Superbowl era. This is a Superbowl era coach ranking. I assigned points as I thought best and let the chips fall. If Bill Walsh didn't stack up to Bud Grant, oh well.
Cripple Creek Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, MJS said: Yes, if you go to and win the Superbowl you get 10 points for each playoff appearance, plus 20 for a conference championship, plus 30 for the win in the super bowl. Consider then that you’re giving more points (potentially) for wild card teams and penalizing those w byes. Maybe a sliding scale (5 points for wild card win, 10 for first round win etc.
LABILLBACKER Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Rex Ryan is listed as out 6th best HC of all time, God that is downright embarrassing Rex & Skeletor rank as my 2 worst coaches.
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Rex & Skeletor rank as my 2 worst coaches. I give Skeletor a pass considering the roster he had, no he press confernces, god they were just downright horrid.
MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Consider then that you’re giving more points (potentially) for wild card teams and penalizing those w byes. Maybe a sliding scale (5 points for wild card win, 10 for first round win etc. That is a good point, but that would be more work than I care to do in order to account for that. It's much easier to just look up how many playoff appearances each coach had.
MJS Posted June 28, 2019 Author Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Whatever methodology you used that ranks SuperBowl winning coaches below ones that have not and leaves out two time SuperBowl Champion Jimmy Johnson is severely flawed. ? You are correct, sir! I somehow missed him. I had to input each coach one by one. I must have slipped him by accident. Thanks for bringing him up! My biggest worry was that I accidentally missed some prominent coaches, and indeed I did. I'll update the first post. Jimmy Johnson ranks 16th, just ahead of Marv Levy. And ...that bumps Vince Lombardi off. 21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Rex & Skeletor rank as my 2 worst coaches. I think that's recency bias. Rex actually had one of the best win percentages of any coach of the Bills. However, I understand the argument that he had a very talented defense that he messed up.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) ...EXACTLY the reason why I loathe Plastic Puss Jones....Landry was a classy Cowboy legend (and I will add that I always hated the 'Girls)......his Sunday hat=Bear Bryant's hat......yet Jones' first order of business when he bought the club was to kick Landry to the curb like a POS..... Edited June 28, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1
vincec Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: So a SB win would get you 30+20+10? Or do you get 10 for each playoff game won in a post season plus the bonuses for conference and SB win? I’m surprised to see Walsh that low, would have guessed higher. Especially since Walsh basically changed the way the game is played on offense. So, beyond his record as a winner, his impact on the game really should make him top 5 IMO. But it’s a fine point. 8 minutes ago, MJS said: ? You are correct, sir! I somehow missed him. I had to input each coach one by one. I must have slipped him by accident. Thanks for bringing him up! My biggest worry was that I accidentally missed some prominent coaches, and indeed I did. I'll update the first post. Jimmy Johnson ranks 16th, just ahead of Marv Levy. And ...that bumps Vince Lombardi off. Um, what? i think you’d better consult some Packer fans before you have Mike McCarthy ahead of Lombardi. Edited June 28, 2019 by vincec 1
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