CEN-CAL17 Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 If he get over 9, double digits, he will win DROY!
Doc Brown Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 8 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: John McCargo looked good in college because he lined up with Mario Williams. Niether faced constant triple teams as a nose. He could end up falling short but not on a McCargo Level and I highly doubt he will not make at least multiple probowls. He has Canton potential, nothing either of those two had. I was just throwing out names of DT's we thought would be good but ended up being busts. Dorsey is the better example as I remember Falcons fans being pissed they passed on him for Matt Ryan as some touted him as the most explosive player in the draft. Until I see Oliver dominate NFL caliber o-lineman I'm not going to crown him. He's more likely to be an all pro than a bust, but you don't really know with a rookie until he actually plays.
formerlyofCtown Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I was just throwing out names of DT's we thought would be good but ended up being busts. Dorsey is the better example as I remember Falcons fans being pissed they passed on him for Matt Ryan as some touted him as the most explosive player in the draft. Until I see Oliver dominate NFL caliber o-lineman I'm not going to crown him. He's more likely to be an all pro than a bust, but you don't really know with a rookie until he actually plays. Never thought McCargo would be anything special. Dorsey, nothing special. Oliver has a floor that makes a PB here and there but I can definitely see it.
GimmeSomeProcess Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Aaron Donald got nine sacks playing about 67% of the defensive snaps his rookie year. The Bills would have to play him as often as they did Kyle Williams (about 65%) last year to come close to that number. I'll go under because of how often McDermott likes to rotate his DT's and he's just a rookie so he could be another Glenn Dorsey or John McCargo for all we know. John McCargo should never be a comp. Dude was not that athletic and was horrible in college. Seriously, how the hell did we draft him in the first, his stats were putrid.
KD in CA Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) No wonder this fan base is always disappointed! 9 sacks?? Put down the crack pipe. 14 hours ago, row_33 said: QB as cakewalk MVP Best D in the history of football From what this board crows about the 2019 Bills, all the other teams won’t even want to get off the bus for the thrashing I can't wait for the "First team with 3 thousand yard backs?" thread. Edited June 15, 2019 by KD in CA
1st&ten Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 I think about 6 but I think he'll also create many hurries & some fumbles
Augie Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Um...I'm not a mathematician, but what if he gets EXACTLY 9 sacks? That's neither over nine nor under nine, right? You see? THAT is why I don’t gamble!!! ?
machine gun kelly Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I have been reading up on Ed Oliver's draft evaluations and the frequent comparisons to Aaron Donald (it's going to be a long time until training camp...). I decided to look at what Donald did in his rookie campaign. He played in all 16 games, starting in 12 of them. He recorded 9 sacks his rookie season. I though we could do an over / under on Oliver's sack total this year based on Donald's first season where he had 9 sacks. Might want to add why you feel that way too. Aaron Donald Career Stats Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 78 74 0 0 0 0 9 13 0 4 40 0 59.5 263 189 74 97 149 76 2014* 23 STL LDT/rdt 99 16 12 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 9.0 47 37 10 18 13 11 2015*+ 24 STL LDT 99 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 40 0 11.0 69 43 26 22 37 20 2016*+ 25 LAR dt/LDT 99 16 16 0 0 0 0 5 2 0 0 0 0 8.0 47 36 11 17 31 15 2017*+ 26 LAR DT/lb 99 14 14 0 0 0 0 1 5 0 1 0 0 11.0 41 32 9 15 27 15 2018*+ 27 LAR DT 99 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 2 0 0 20.5 59 41 18 25 41 15 So plant your flag. Go for broke. Make a stand. Go all in. Be bold. Draw a line in the sand. Ed Oliver Sacks 2019; Over / Under 9 I think Oliver is landing in a good situation in Buffalo. I think he will benefit from defensive coaching that will scheme to get him production. McDermott and Frazier like to rotate DTs so Oliver should still be fresh in the 4th quarter of games when the 300 lb lineman opposite him are wearing down. Having Hughes coming off the edge will help flush the QB up in the pocket where Oliver will be pushing. Oliver is quick enough to stunt with Hughes and create mismatches all along the line and sow havoc with blocking assignments for the offensive lineman. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at least 10 sacks this season. Inigo says anything less than 9 is INCONCEIVABLE! I say over. Inigo, I love the Princess Bride references so keep them coming, but regarding the question, I’m going with the over. Star will eat up the middle for the run and Oliver will penetrate with Hughes as you mentioned getting him to 10 is my guess. 1
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 I’m surprised the over wasn’t at 22 1 1
Alphadawg7 Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 Under. He’s certainly got that kind of potential, but he is a rookie DT, not many of them put up double digit sacks out the gate. I think he ends up between 5 and 8 which would be a good start to his career. I hope he hits double digits, just seems like too high of an expectation to put on his rookie year. I think his O/U should have been set at 6.5 instead of 9.
ghostwriter Posted June 15, 2019 Posted June 15, 2019 Under, although I'll admit there is a decent chance he goes over.
Inigo Montoya Posted June 15, 2019 Author Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Under. He’s certainly got that kind of potential, but he is a rookie DT, not many of them put up double digit sacks out the gate. I think he ends up between 5 and 8 which would be a good start to his career. I hope he hits double digits, just seems like too high of an expectation to put on his rookie year. I think his O/U should have been set at 6.5 instead of 9. Hey Alphadawg7 I picked 9 based on Darnold's rookie campaign sack total. To provide a little context for that number, in Darnold's rookie season, 2014, the St. Louis Rams finished with a 6-10 record. Their defense was ranked 16th or 17th in the league depending on which criteria you use. The team finished with 40 total sacks which ranked them 13th in the league. Robert Quinn led the team in sacks with 10.5 sacks. So that defense was not some juggernaut that was routinely destroying people that Darnold was playing in. As an aside the #1 team in the league for sacks that year was our very own Buffalo Bills with 54 sacks... Oliver's entire game and value is based on his ability to get into the back field quickly and disrupt. He is a rookie and there is always a concern with how he will transition to the pros and that is something that you need to consider when estimating how productive he will be this year. I agree with you, if he gives us 7-8 sacks I wouldn't be upset at all, but I think this Bill's defense is going to be really stout, I hope much better than the 16th ranked defense Darnold was playing on his rookie season. I think with more talent playing along side Oliver, he is going to have more opportunities to produce. Time will tell. Opening day can't get here fast enough... Inigo Edited June 16, 2019 by Inigo Montoya
fansince88 Posted June 16, 2019 Posted June 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Use this to help decide what kind of sausage: I hope you went all in and also got rolls. Yeah, and I made them change the sauce.
billspro Posted June 16, 2019 Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Augie said: I’m not a gambler, but I am willing to bet there is a 100% chance it is one or the other. Any takers? If he gets 7 sacks with penetration to mess up run plays I’ll be happy. Any more and I’m thrilled, What if he gets 9? Haha Edited June 16, 2019 by billspro
without a drought Posted June 16, 2019 Posted June 16, 2019 21 hours ago, fansince88 said: Im going to go out on a limb and say there is a 50% chance it is 9 or over and a 50% chance it is 9 or under. Not really. 1
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Orlando Buffalo Posted June 16, 2019 Posted June 16, 2019 i would definitely take the under- i expect 2 through the first about 9 games and 4 the rest of the way. i do expect by the end of the year his impact to be large.
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