row_33 Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 There was no need for it, they would have easily destroyed the pathetic AFC without it it led to a lot more hits which took out at least 3 years of Kelly’s prime, he took a brutal beating out there, he was a tough man.
Big Turk Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The Air Coryell isn't really equivalent of the modern "air raid." What they have in common is that they are systems that favour the pass over the run to a higher degree than other equivalent schemes of their era. The Air Coryell is basically the vertical passing equivalent of the west coast. The principle of the two systems - timing up WR routes with QB drop etc are very similar but Air Coryell focused on stretching the field vertically whereas the west coast was about stretching the field horizontally. The "air raid" is really a variant of the spread offense. I think the 4 main schemes you see in the NFL are the Air Coryell, the west coast, the spread and the E-P. But very few, if any, teams in the NFL nowadays run a pure version of any of them. All NFL offenses are now pretty much hybrids. Take New England as the obvious example because pretty much everyone here since we hired Daboll has talked about the E-P as the reason for New England's success and the approach Daboll wants to take in Buffalo. When Belichick got the New England back in 2000 they ran a pretty standard E-P style of offense under Charlie Weiss. But when I look at New England now I'd categorise their offense as a spread offense with E-P concepts. That said very few teams can get in to tight jumbo packages and run the ball down your throat 10 plays in a row as well as New England either. Now take the Chiefs.... Andy Reid was pretty clear last season in a fascinating sit down with Steve Mariucci on NFLN that he is still running the west coast offense. All those funky formations and gimmick plays.... yea.... they are the WCO with some bells on. It is west coast but with strong spread and Air Coryell concept liberally scattered within it. Even "failed" offenses like the Run-N-Shoot have components that almost every team uses in their playbooks nowadays, as well as more and more college concepts like RPO's, etc... 1
row_33 Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Even "failed" offenses like the Run-N-Shoot have components that almost every team uses in their playbooks nowadays, as well as more and more college concepts like RPO's, etc... yes, throw the ball when it's advantageous and run when it is advantageous, been the strategy since..... the forward pass was legalized?
bills11 Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The Air Coryell isn't really equivalent of the modern "air raid." What they have in common is that they are systems that favour the pass over the run to a higher degree than other equivalent schemes of their era. The Air Coryell is basically the vertical passing equivalent of the west coast. The principle of the two systems - timing up WR routes with QB drop etc are very similar but Air Coryell focused on stretching the field vertically whereas the west coast was about stretching the field horizontally. The "air raid" is really a variant of the spread offense. I think the 4 main schemes you see in the NFL are the Air Coryell, the west coast, the spread and the E-P. But very few, if any, teams in the NFL nowadays run a pure version of any of them. All NFL offenses are now pretty much hybrids. Take New England as the obvious example because pretty much everyone here since we hired Daboll has talked about the E-P as the reason for New England's success and the approach Daboll wants to take in Buffalo. When Belichick got the New England back in 2000 they ran a pretty standard E-P style of offense under Charlie Weiss. But when I look at New England now I'd categorise their offense as a spread offense with E-P concepts. That said very few teams can get in to tight jumbo packages and run the ball down your throat 10 plays in a row as well as New England either. Now take the Chiefs.... Andy Reid was pretty clear last season in a fascinating sit down with Steve Mariucci on NFLN that he is still running the west coast offense. All those funky formations and gimmick plays.... yea.... they are the WCO with some bells on. It is west coast but with strong spread and Air Coryell concept liberally scattered within it. Precisely..no one runs the pure west coast..or pure air coryell..the original west coast offence didn't even have shotgun formations..but yes Andy Reid is still running alot of the core plays of the wco just disguising them with shifts motion and personnel groupings. And spot on about New England ..belichick is good friends with alot of college coaches and he's incorporated many elements of their schemes into their playbook ..he incorporated alot of plays from the spread and has used plays from chip Kelly's playbook and others. I wasn't attributing the air raid to the air coryell tho just giving an example of one of the schemes prevalent going forward ...air raid is basically a customized derivative of the run and shoot ..aka what the oilers ran in the early 90s . Edited June 12, 2019 by bills11
Big Turk Posted June 11, 2019 Author Posted June 11, 2019 7 hours ago, row_33 said: yes, throw the ball when it's advantageous and run when it is advantageous, been the strategy since..... the forward pass was legalized? Actually surprisingly not. Metrics might tell you that throwing the ball every down is the most advantageous.
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