Trump lies, post them here

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

So,(paraphrasing)  you are saying that every Trump lie Cuomo points out is accurate

 

No. I'm saying I don't listen to Cuomo because he's a proven liar. 

 

Get better sources and you make better points. Holding Cuomo up as proof of someone else lying proves you've learned nothing the past three years. Nothing. 

[Bob in Mich]

15 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said:

 

Bob in Michigan, this is Bob in New York; take it from one who suffers under the charade of government perpetrated by the current Governor of NYS, the guy's so partisan in terms of downstate NY, liberal causes no  matter the subject or impact, and DNC kool-aid that our state is currently cast adrift in terms of consistent attention to the needs of its citizens.

 

Hi Bob.  You missed the video apparently.  It is Chris Cuomo of CNN that calls out Trump's enablers, not the Governor of NY Cuomo. Go back a page in this thread and watch the 5 minute Chris Cuomo video please.

[Deranged Rhino]

[Doc Brown]

44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Trump is proven time and time again to be more accurate and honest than Cuomo. By miles and miles. 

Remember when Cuomo and CNN and everyone said he was lying about this? 

 

 

(he was right)

 

Remember all the times he said no collusion/conspiracy and it was a witch hunt? 

 

(he was right)

 

Does he step on rakes? Yes. Does his Trumpisms confuse the message when reduced to a (usually dishonest) sound-byte? Absolutely. But only one institution has made it their mission to mislead and propagandize the American public the past three years on a literal coup. And it wasn't Trump. It was asshats like Cuomo. 

 

Citing him as a beacon of truth is a sure fire way to get people to identify you as an idiot, a partisan, or just woefully misinformed. 

He wasn't proven right.  There's no evidence of Obama ordering his intelligent agencies to wiretap Trump's phone lines at Trump Tower.  Putting a wiretap on Manafort going all the way back to 2014 isn't the same thing.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Bob in Mich]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

No. I'm saying I don't listen to Cuomo because he's a proven liar. 

 

Get better sources and you make better points. Holding Cuomo up as proof of someone else lying proves you've learned nothing the past three years. Nothing. 

 

Just admit you are being completely inconsistent.  You defend Trump's lies as harmless but claim the lies of others are serious.  Get off your high horse and take a look at your own ridiculous position.

 

[plenzmd1]

18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

A Title I FISA warrant gives the government TWO HOPS in the target's contact list. That means they can surveil anyone Carter Page has ever talked to, and anyone THOSE people have ever talked to. And by surveil I mean ACTIVE wiretaps, going backwards and forwards through the target's emails, texts, correspondence. Carter Page was off the campaign when they got the FISA on him... so why did they want it? They wanted it because getting a warrant on Page gave them -- through the two hops -- surveillance on Trump Tower directly and Trump himself (let alone his cabinet and sitting US Senators like Sessions). 

 

This clip talks about the old rule which was three hops -- but it's still informative. 

 

 

His tweet was 100% correct. The Page FISA proves it. 

 

The media never covered it -- despite knowing this to be the case. Why? Because the media was in on the coup. Still are. 

not to be obtuse..where is it stated anywhere that' Trumps phones were tapped???? 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

He wasn't proven right.  There's no evidence of Obama ordering his intelligent agencies to wiretap Trump's phone lines at Trump Tower.  Putting a wiretap on Manafort going all the way back to 2014 isn't the same thing.

 

There is mountains of it now. 

 

Starting with the Carter Page FISA. 

 

Ending with the long rumored, now all but confirmed Flynn FISA. 

1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Just admit you are being completely inconsistent.  

 

Calling Cuomo a liar who's intentionally deceived the public for his own partisan purposes is entirely consistent. 

 

That you still don't see the point, that you still hold him up as someone worth listening to, shows you've learned nothing. Nothing. 

 

That's why you're so woefully under informed.  

 

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

There is mountains of it now. 

 

Starting with the Carter Page FISA. 

 

Ending with the long rumored, now all but confirmed Flynn FISA. 

dude, what am i missing..are you saying a FISA warrant proves that Obama had Trumps phone tapped? Just show me something that says that and i go away, I really am open the possibility that happened, i just have not seen anything that states that is what happened outside of Trumps tweet

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

not to be obtuse..where is it stated anywhere that' Trumps phones were tapped???? 

A Title I FISA on Page gives the government the right to tap Trump tower and Trump personally. 

 

Page's warrant was issued months after he left the campaign? Why? Because he had spoken to Trump and his entire transition team.

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

dude, what am i missing..are you saying a FISA warrant proves that Obama had Trumps phone tapped? Just show me something that says that and i go away, I really am open the possibility that happened, i just have not seen anything that states that is what happened outside of Trumps tweet

 

The Page FISA is real and proven. Was extended 4 times. They were NOT using that warrant to look at Page. Page wasn't the target, Trump was. But they couldn't get a warrant on Trump, so they got one on Page which allows them through the two hop rule to monitor Trump. The IG report yesterday makes it clear they were doing exactly that. 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

A Title I FISA on Page gives the government the right to tap Trump tower and Trump personally. 

 

Page's warrant was issued months after he left the campaign? Why? Because he had spoken to Trump and his entire transition team.

okay, i trust you on that.

 

1) how is Obama involved?

2) Did they do it? proof please

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

A Title I FISA on Page gives the government the right to tap Trump tower and Trump personally. 

 

Page's warrant was issued months after he left the campaign? Why? Because he had spoken to Trump and his entire transition team.

 

The Page FISA is real and proven. Was extended 4 times. They were NOT using that warrant to look at Page. Page wasn't the target, Trump was. But they couldn't get a warrant on Trump, so they got one on Page which allows them through the two hop rule to monitor Trump. The IG report yesterday makes it clear they were doing exactly that. 

 

 

perfect, now we getting someplace

 

I have not read the IG report..do you know where it says that? What i should google that might help me read about that? TY , and i am not being snarky!

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

okay, i trust you on that.

 

1) how is Obama involved?

2) Did they do it? proof please

 

You don't need to trust me. You can verify it all for yourself. 

https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/01/fisa-surveillance-title-i-iii-and-section-702/

 

How was Obama involved? He was 100% involved in the Russia investigation as the Page/Strzok texts prove:

 

They ABSOLUTELY did it. Comey's IG report proves they were actively investigating Trump at the time of the transition, which was several months after the Page warrant was issued. Page had already been long off the Trump train -- yet they got the warrant. Why? Because he wasn't the target, Trump and his transition team were. 

 

Also, there's this: 

https://nj1015.com/trump-transition-team-moves-to-bedminster/

 

The day after Admiral Mike Rogers goes to Trump Tower and has a meeting with the President elect, the entire Trump transition team moved out of Trump Tower. Why? It was bugged, and Rogers warned them.

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He wasn't proven right.  There's no evidence of Obama ordering his intelligent agencies to wiretap Trump's phone lines at Trump Tower.  Putting a wiretap on Manafort going all the way back to 2014 isn't the same thing.

see: Lisa Page texts

If Obama did not order it (and I am not sure what he did), he sure knew about it, and could have stopped it with one call.  
 

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I have not read the IG report..do you know where it says that? What i should google that might help me read about that? TY , and i am not being snarky!

 

What we learn is that Comey and his top FBI advisers prepared extensively for the then-director’s January 6, 2017, briefing of then-president-elect Trump. The detailed preparation owed to the fact that the FBI regarded the session at Trump Tower in New York not as a mere briefing but as anevidence-gathering opportunity. That’s because they were investigating Trump, which they hoped to continue doing when he took office . . . which called for putting him at ease . . . which meant telling him that they were not investigating him.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/trump-was-always-the-target-of-the-russia-investigation/

 

The Page warrant was issued October 21, 2016. Months before this meeting. 

 

They had been investigating Trump for that whole period, using the Page warrant to get around the rule of law and to surveil Trump and his whole team -- including electronic surveillance (aka wiretapping and other things). 

 

 

... this has all been covered, at length, years ago now. 

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You don't need to trust me. You can verify it all for yourself. 

https://themarketswork.com/2018/04/01/fisa-surveillance-title-i-iii-and-section-702/

 

How was Obama involved? He was 100% involved in the Russia investigation as the Page/Strzok texts prove:

 

They ABSOLUTELY did it. Comey's IG report proves they were actively investigating Trump at the time of the transition, which was several months after the Page warrant was issued. Page had already been long off the Trump train -- yet they got the warrant. Why? Because he wasn't the target, Trump and his transition team were. 

 

Also, there's this: 

https://nj1015.com/trump-transition-team-moves-to-bedminster/

 

The day after Admiral Mike Rogers goes to Trump Tower and has a meeting with the President elect, the entire Trump transition team moved out of Trump Tower. Why? It was bugged, and Rogers warned them.

totally lost now..and this prolly should be other thread

 

1) 1st link i see nothing about Obama

2) That's is interesting..but has it been proven they were texts about Trump surveillance , i thought that related to Clinton email fiasco..but i could be wrong

3) You see Trump moving to Bedminster, where he vacations, as some concrete signal? Be like saying i only go to Orchard Park on Sundays cause the wind off the lake refreshes me.

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

The Page warrant was issued October 21, 2016. Months before this meeting. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

see: Lisa Page texts

If Obama did not order it (and I am not sure what he did), he sure knew about it, and could have stopped it with one call.  
 

if the page warrant was October 21, and the texts were September 2nd, does that mean POTUS wanted to know about the emails and that investigation( or whatever it was)

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

totally lost now..and this prolly should be other thread

 

1) 1st link i see nothing about Obama

2) That's is interesting..but has it been proven they were texts about Trump surveillance , i thought that related to Clinton email fiasco..but i could be wrong

3) You see Trump moving to Bedminster, where he vacations, as some concrete signal? Be like saying i only go to Orchard Park on Sundays cause the wind off the lake refreshes me.

 

The first link is details about the FISA warrants and how they work, why they're deployed. This includes links to the law and FAQs. 

 

Obama was involved, per Page and Strzok's texts (which were deleted then found) on every step of this set up. Obama met with Glenn Simpson's wife the morning after Rogers discovered the violations Obama's DOJ/FBI which are outlined here: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf . The next day, Glenn Simpson/Fusion GPS is hired and the "Trump/Russia" story is launched. Obama was involved from the start. And asked to be kept in the loop. That text exchange was about Crossfire Hurricane, not the Mid Year Exam. 

 

The final point you're missing the context. He had just won the election. The next day Obama's NSA chief, against orders, goes to Trump tower and has a long meeting. The very next day, unexpectedly, the entire transition team uproots and goes to NJ. That's not "a vacation". That's a deliberate move away from Trump Tower after they had spent time and money (putting barriers up all around it) to make it the transition HQ for the incoming POTUS. 

 

Rogers was the man who discovered Obama had been illegally spying on his political opponents for years prior to Trump. It was 44's MO. That he'd tip Trump off to the tower being tapped is key. Does it prove anything by itself? Nope. But in context with everything else we've covered it's ***** damning. 

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

if the page warrant was October 21, and the texts were September 2nd, does that mean POTUS wanted to know about the emails and that investigation( or whatever it was)

 

No. They were discussing Crossfire Hurricane which (officially) started in July of 2016 (but really the day after Rogers alerted the FISC to the illegal spying going on under Obama which was April 2016). 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

totally lost now..and this prolly should be other thread

 

1) 1st link i see nothing about Obama

2) That's is interesting..but has it been proven they were texts about Trump surveillance , i thought that related to Clinton email fiasco..but i could be wrong

3) You see Trump moving to Bedminster, where he vacations, as some concrete signal? Be like saying i only go to Orchard Park on Sundays cause the wind off the lake refreshes me.

And this is where @Deranged Rhino shows the patience of Job...

@plenzmd1, it is a long weekend. Take some time to read the source material, released congressional testimony, etc on  the Trump wire tapping, FISA warrants, "Russia", the soft-coup attempt by un-elected bureaucrats, etc. They are all connected. You need to read the source materials (more will be coming out  soon, those source documents will get you up to speed).

You keep arguing "no, that's not it" when yes, it really is it.

There was wiretapping. The text messages between Strzok and Page show Obama knew about it and wanted to be kept informed. Who the coup leader was/is? Who the person leading the charge was/is? Well, that we may never know (no way will they pin it on Obama if it was him).  But, there are source documents you can read to inform yourself. 

It was ugly. It was real. And it was all to bring about the removal of a duly elected president.   Although, it may have started for this reason:
 

This is the original tweet link which no longer exists. 

 

[plenzmd1]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And this is where @Deranged Rhino shows the patience of Job...

@plenzmd1, it is a long weekend. Take some time to read the source material, released congressional testimony, etc on  the Trump wire tapping, FISA warrants, "Russia", the soft-coup attempt by un-elected bureaucrats, etc. They are all connected. You need to read the source materials (more will be coming out  soon, those source documents will get you up to speed).

You keep arguing "no, that's not it" when yes, it really is it.

There was wiretapping. The text messages between Strzok and Page show Obama knew about it and wanted to be kept informed. Who the coup leader was/is? Who the person leading the charge was/is? Well, that we may never know (no way will they pin it on Obama if it was him).  But, there are source documents you can read to inform yourself. 

It was ugly. It was real. And it was all to bring about the removal of a duly elected president.   Although, it may have started for this reason:
 

This is the original tweet link which no longer exists. 

 

to be clear Gal..i have never argued the point that i think something nefarious happened, and anyone who participated needs to be brought to justice..Does not mean i wont question "theories" This whole last page and half was brought up as @Deranged Rhino brought up a tweet by Trump that Obama had his phones tapped as proof that Trumps tells the truth. I am trying to ascertain if that has been proven anywhere....point out in the text messages that says anything about wiretaps  and that Obama ordered them or was briefed ..i dont see it.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

to be clear Gal..i have never argued the point that i think something nefarious happened, and anyone who participated needs to be brought to justice..Does not mean i wont question "theories" This whole last page and half was brought up as @Deranged Rhino brought up a tweet by Trump that Obama had his phones tapped as proof that Trumps tells the truth. I am trying to ascertain if that has been proven anywhere....point out in the text messages that says anything about wiretaps  and that Obama ordered them or was briefed ..i dont see it.

 

 

READ. THE. SOURCE. DOCUMENTS.

Stop asking for people to prove over and over again what you can read for yourself. You are bright, so hop to it. And then, after reading all the available text messages, emails, congressional testimony, etc come back and explain how how Trump was NOT being truthful in that tweet.  I'll wait. 

 

[Bob in Mich]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

to be clear Gal..i have never argued the point that i think something nefarious happened, and anyone who participated needs to be brought to justice..Does not mean i wont question "theories" This whole last page and half was brought up as @Deranged Rhino brought up a tweet by Trump that Obama had his phones tapped as proof that Trumps tells the truth. I am trying to ascertain if that has been proven anywhere....point out in the text messages that says anything about wiretaps  and that Obama ordered them or was briefed ..i dont see it.

 

 

 

Put on your Fox News secret goggles.   That is the only way one can see it

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

READ. THE. SOURCE. DOCUMENTS.

Stop asking for people to prove over and over again what you can read for yourself. You are bright, so hop to it. And then, after reading all the available text messages, emails, congressional testimony, etc come back and explain how how Trump was NOT being truthful in that tweet.  I'll wait. 

 

i will be perfectly honest, i do not want to read 100 pages or so of that doc DR linked to if you have already figured it out with proof..figure yall could just point out where it defines and outlines Obama's role it would be much quicker. Just point me to right page or section or something..got to be something lesser than 100 freaking pages..least I am hoping there is