Tipping Getting Out of Control

[ExiledInIllinois]

39 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I follow the foreign European rule $1 EU

 

Or the countries where No tips allowed

China.

French Polynesia.

Japan. Tipping under any circumstance in Japan may seem rude, because good service is standard and expected. ...

Korea. ...

Hong Kong. ...

Switzerland. ...

Australia. ...

Belgium.

Yeah... But they pay a living wage?

 

Sorry.  As @LeviF91 has eloquently stated.  You suck @ life.  LoL... ? Wouldn't agree they suck at life in China and commie parts of the world? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

22 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Now you're being forced to tip if there's a tip jar?  JFC, if you really feel that way about it you're not forced to go there to begin with, exercise that choice.

you read that wrong 

 

Tip Jars are voluntary.   If I frequent the place a lot I will tip. 

 

Automatically adding 15% onto your bill - that is not voluntary. 

"Recommending" 20% is just as outrageous.

 

Bring my food, be polite, be attentive but not too attentive.  Act as if you care and I'll give them a nice tip. 

 

Bring my food and ignore me for 30 minutes .... is not tip worthy. 

 

Edited May 28, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[ExiledInIllinois]

15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Used to be a waiter during college.  There was a family that used to come in for dinner every Friday night at 9:30 (we closed at 10:00).  They weren’t jerks like some customers, but we used to fight over who had to wait on them. There were usually 6 or 7 of them, and their check would typically be north of $200.  Problem was, for their tip they would always leave $5 and a Jesus pamphlet.  I wanted to put rat poison in their food most nights.

LoL... That would make Baby Jesus cry!

[Johnny Hammersticks]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I have worked in foodservice also and it’s the reason why I generally tip well and I do not send food back unless there is something clearly wrong with it.  I’ve heard what can happen to returning lousy tippers or picky people.  It’s not pretty (and no, I never did anything disgusting - there were stories aplenty).

 

I have wanted to, but have never done anything disgusting to anyone’s food.  I just couldn’t bring myself to do that, and I’ve had some epically mean/cheap customers.

 

I will say, however, that I also live by the rule “you don’t ***** with people who handle your food.”  I’ve been in their shoes.  If I don’t like the food and/or the service, I still pay my check and tip.  I don’t run to Yelp to bash the restaurant.  I just never return.

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

you read that wrong 

 

Tip Jars are volunteer.  If I frequent the place a lot I will tip. 

 

Automatically adding 15% onto your bill is not voluntary. 

"Recommending" 20% is just as outrageous.

 

Bring my food, be polite, be attentive but not too attentive.  Act as if you care and I'll give them a nice tip. 

 

Bring my food and ignore me for 30 minutes .... is not tip worthy. 

 

 

Gotcha.  If gratuity is included in my bill I often don't add anything.  I always tip whole numbers so those 10%-15%-20% options are generally useless to me.

 

And as I stated above, I find it acceptable to dock a tip (heavily, even) when service is *****.  I then never go back to that establishment.  The two places I remember doing that at are now out of business.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

Tipping well is a mark of good character and good social graces.  People who suck at tipping suck at life.  End of story. 

this is bogus. suck at life because you don't tip well? you seem like the type that likes to toot their own horn based off your post. I'll tip, when warranted. do your job as expected, tip. do a half ass job, I'll drop a quarter. 

 

guess what levi, life is good man, real good.

 

 

 

 

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, shrader said:

It's pretty rare for me to have to make up on my mind on a tip prior to receiving the food.  I can only think of one place where I ran into this.  Still, I stick to the simple rule that if my meal does not involve a waiter, I'm not tipping.  I supposed I might bend that one a bit if I was a big fan of the place or knew the workers well, but that's it.

This is my policy as well.  

 

But view it from the restaurant's perspective.  They make it possible for people to tip where they never would have before, and if some do for any reason, well that's more money coming in the door.

 

I don't blame them for trying this approach.  

 

 

[row_33]

i don't think i have ever given a low tip

 

usually i am embarrassed by the behavior of my dining company, sending food back 6 times, whining endlessly about everything, refusing to leave a decent tip

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

i don't think i have ever given a low tip

 

usually i am embarrassed by the behavior of my dining company, sending food back 6 times, whining endlessly about everything, refusing to leave a decent tip

 

 

I have ....  Crap service and cold food will do that.  

 

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

this is bogus. suck at life because you don't tip well? you seem like the type that likes to toot their own horn based off your post. I'll tip, when warranted. do your job as expected, tip. do a half ass job, I'll drop a quarter. 

 

guess what levi, life is good man, real good.

 

 

I feel shame when I'm out with someone and I see they don't tip well, and then I don't spend time with them anymore.  This is not indicative of me being better than average, in the world I was raised in this is the average.  It's expected. 

 

It's not tooting one's own horn to say that one pays a basic, expected societal courtesy that they should have been observing/learning from birth if their guardians had any social grace or semblance of pride. 

[Gugny]

12 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Gotcha.  If gratuity is included in my bill I often don't add anything.  I always tip whole numbers so those 10%-15%-20% options are generally useless to me.

 

And as I stated above, I find it acceptable to dock a tip (heavily, even) when service is *****.  I then never go back to that establishment.  The two places I remember doing that at are now out of business.

 

Only one time did I not leave a tip.  It was at Denny's in Queensbury.  The waitress was the worst I'd ever experienced.  Rude, nasty, inattentive.  It was insane.  I went up to pay the bill and the manager was the one cashing out.  I said, "I just want you to know that I am leaving no tip.  That waitress was terrible.  So when she comes complaining to you that she got no tip, just understand that she earned it."  And I waited until AFTER I paid, because I wanted to make sure she knew it wasn't some sort of an effort to get money taken off the bill.

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Only one time did I not leave a tip.  It was at Denny's in Queensbury.  The waitress was the worst I'd ever experienced.  Rude, nasty, inattentive.  It was insane.  I went up to pay the bill and the manager was the one cashing out.  I said, "I just want you to know that I am leaving no tip.  That waitress was terrible.  So when she comes complaining to you that she got no tip, just understand that she earned it."  And I waited until AFTER I paid, because I wanted to make sure she knew it wasn't some sort of an effort to get money taken off the bill.

 

I've had that sort of experience.  It's almost surreal.  Feels kind of odd trying to describe it to people because it's so rare and unexpected. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

I feel shame when I'm out with someone and I see they don't tip well, and then I don't spend time with them anymore.  This is not indicative of me being better than average, in the world I was raised in this is the average.  It's expected. 

 

It's not tooting one's own horn to say that one pays a basic, expected societal courtesy that they should have been observing/learning from birth if their guardians had any social grace or semblance of pride. 

no, you're tooting your own horn mac. carry on

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

Love how it is done in the EU. Just add a couple bucks to the menu price and pay the server minimum wage or whatever you wish. Don’t leave it up to me to decide what your employee makes. Unfortunately it is too far gone here to ever change the system. 

Some restaurants have tried raising the price and implementing a no tip policy.  Business decreased and they ended up reversing the policy.

 

In Austin and some California restaurants a surcharge for benefits is being added.  While "voluntary" it is on the bill from the start and you have to ask for it to be removed.  This goes to the owner, not the staff.  Tips have decreased in these restaurants.

 

I agree moving to a fully loaded/no tipping process would be good.  Also agree will not happen.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I applaud your sentiment but the OP is also correct in that tipping has gotten out of hand,  The concept comes from sitting down to eat a meal and having a service person wait on you and your guests.  The better the service the better the tip.  Think about a normal waiter / waitress, they have to take the order, handle questions about the menu, deal with requested substitutes, fill or deliver your drinks, bring your food to the table, refill drinks as needed, assure that everyone has what they need, possibly take another round of orders (for desserts) and then assure that all was well which the meal when finished.

 

Compare this to the now ubiquitous tip jars where some person who makes a standard sandwich or burger or whatever expects you to tip them.  As for pick-up food - think about it there is little service involved.

 

With that said, I do tip well for a standard sit down meal, generally, 20%+.  I do not put money in those ubiquitous “tip” cans.  I will tip for pick up but at a lower level as there is some level of service involved in the situation.  

Then pay them a living base wage.

 

I don't tip for service.

 

I tip because they are getting a base wage too low.  They can serve dooky on a stick and I will tip.  They are producing way more then the worst server can produce and getting a wage that is inadequate.

 

Americans need to get over themselves, getting waited on hand and foot... It's not $$$ for service... It's their time for $$$.

Edited May 28, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois

[GaryPinC]

An offshoot of the tipping craze that I just hate is the grocery, pet store etc. asking if you want to donate to some charity when you go to pay.  My kids looked at me funny at first for saying "no" but 1.  I don't know how much of my dollars are actually ending up at that charity and 2. I choose when and where I donate, not at some big business' request.

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm served at a restaurant.  Handing me a bag full of food isn't what I consider as "Service."

 

What's the difference between someone assembling a bunch of burgers, etc. and putting them in a bag to hand to you .... and someone putting together any other meal, then putting it in a bag to hand to you?  Why do you draw a line between "fast food" and a "restaurant?"

tips are often spread around including the kitchen

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

An offshoot of the tipping craze that I just hate is the grocery, pet store etc. asking if you want to donate to some charity when you go to pay.  My kids looked at me funny at first for saying "no" but 1.  I don't know how much of my dollars are actually ending up at that charity and 2. I choose when and where I donate, not at some big business' request.

Even worse... Firefighters, police panhandling @ the intersection.  That's the absolute lowest of the low.

[row_33]

the wise use of serving staff can win you points with your guests, sometimes in very rewarding ways.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

tips are often spread around including the kitchen

 

so my service tip goes to a person washing dishes????    

 

EII said it well enough   

 

PAY these people well enough and F the tips.  Better pay = better working attitude = better service 

 

(I'll go back and sit with my fellow socialists now)