Like A Mofo Posted April 3, 2005 Author Share Posted April 3, 2005 Millbank---Giambi was a .281 22 homer 80 RBI guy before he started juicing.I think that is what can be expected. 294162[/snapback] In reaction to the getting the facts right thread, you have the exact facts to back up that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 In reaction to the getting the facts right thread, you have the exact facts to back up that statement? 294461[/snapback] Actually Clements I was going to rag on him about that as well but taking at look at Jason's career, one can see his early carrer reflecting the sited numbers and the better numbers are during thought to be juiced period. Mind you there are a couple of years he excelled without as well...... I think what is a valid hope is Jason proving he did not need steroids to reach these levels , a point which would be a large positive to young people watching. Here are his numbers in career they speak for themselves Jason Giambi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Actually Clements I was going to rag on him about that as well but taking at look at Jason's career, one can see his early carrer reflecting the sited numbers and the better numbers are during thought to be juiced period. Mind you there are a couple of years he excelled without as well......I think what is a valid hope is Jason proving he did not need steroids to reach these levels , a point which would be a large positive to young people watching. Here are his numbers in career they speak for themselves Jason Giambi 294467[/snapback] Thanx Millbank(and clements)...I have lived in the Oakland area for 21 years and have followed the A's verrry closely.I DID short change him slightly on average.He is a good guy...and I hope he has a great year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 All right, I already said that I was not going to get into further discussion over this stuff, since this was a prediction thread. But people keep on attacking what I said. So, I regrettably have to weigh back in. It is more so with the AL Central, but the AL West is weaker than the AL East. The unbalanced schedule within divisions make teams in weaker divisions have higher records than they would normally. To prove me wrong you'd have to show that the AL West is a better division than the AL East. Now, top to bottom maybe you could prove this using a long enough time frame and show that, but at the top, the AL East has been better. It is much harder for the small market teams in the AL East to compete when they have to beat out the teams with the two highest payrolls. It is self-perpetuating as free agents will avoid the small market teams in the AL East specifically because they feel that there is little chance to compete with those two clubs. Eventually I think the Yankees will get too old and the Red Sox will have some bad luck with injuries and such but that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. 294442[/snapback] Until last year I still cant agree with you that the AL west was weaker than the AL east--..I think they were very close--with the Yankees being the best team--.I do understand the weighted schedules which you correctly mention---But Oakland was playing a strong Seattle team AND a strong Anaheim team---whereas The yankees played a strong boston team and weeeeak orioles and blue jay squads. The angels kicked the yankees butts a couple of times and the yankees edged out barely those A's teams. The top of the Al EAST CONSISTED OF THE Yankees. -The sox were not a great team until they got Schilling.--You bring up an excellent point about the self perpetuating problem in the EAST with players avoiding the small-market teams(altho its hard to see why toronto and baltimore are considered small market--maybe they are just CHEAPER since both are huge metro areas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Until last year I still cant agree with you that the AL west was weaker than the AL east--..I think they were very close--with the Yankees being the best team--.I do understand the weighted schedules which you correctly mention---But Oakland was playing a strong Seattle team AND a strong Anaheim team---whereas The yankees played a strong boston team and weeeeak orioles and blue jay squads.The angels kicked the yankees butts a couple of times and the yankees edged out barely those A's teams. The top of the Al EAST CONSISTED OF THE Yankees. -The sox were not a great team until they got Schilling.--You bring up an excellent point about the self perpetuating problem in the EAST with players avoiding the small-market teams(altho its hard to see why toronto and baltimore are considered small market--maybe they are just CHEAPER since both are huge metro areas) 294476[/snapback] Toronto are about two years off, they have a good group of prospects ready to emerge and their owner has given management $240 million to spend on team over the next three seasons. This pales compared to Yankees and some others but smartly spent it can fill the needs. Both Baltimore and Toronto will be improved enough they will not be the easy wins they were last year and its my opinion both will win enough games against both Boston and New York that one will not be playoff team..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 NL East: Braves NL Central: CARDINALS NL West: Padres AL East: Yankees AL Central: Twins AL West: Angels AL Wild Card: Red Sox NL Wild Card: Giants AL Champion: NY Yankees NL Champion: ST. LOUIS CARDINALS World Champion: ST. LOUIS CARDINALS Series outcome: 4-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 AL Champion: NY YankeesNL Champion: ST. LOUIS CARDINALS World Champion: ST. LOUIS CARDINALS Series outcome: 4-0 294482[/snapback] In the words of the great Neil Peart: Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 In the words of the great Neil Peart: Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose 294499[/snapback] I'm just making my realistic predictions. I picked St. Louis to sweep the Yankees last year and the Yankees would have gotten swept against us, but they choked against Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 I'm just making my realistic predictions. I picked St. Louis to sweep the Yankees last year and the Yankees would have gotten swept against us, but they choked against Boston. 294505[/snapback] Starting the season in rare form BF. Keep digging that hole.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLS4LIFE Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 AL East: NY Yankees AL Central: Minnesota Twins AL West: Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim who may add Orange County to their names AL Wildcard: Boston Red Sox American League Champion: Yanks NL East: New York Mets NL Central: St Louis Cardinals NL West: San Francisco Giants NL Wildcard: Atlanta Braves National League Champions: Cards World Series Champions: Yanks MVP (AL): Gary Sheffield, Yanks MVP (NL): Albert Pujols, St Louis Cardinals CY (AL): Randy Johnson, NY Yankees CY (NL): Jason Schmidt, San Francisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 MVP (NL): Albert Puljos, St Louis Cardinals 294518[/snapback] Annmarie, when you are going to talk about an icon like this, you have to make sure you show him the respect he deserves. It is PUJOLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Starting the season in rare form BF. Keep digging that hole.... 294507[/snapback] Thank you (takes bow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Hafner=MVP WEDGE= Manager of the year....and greatest 70's porn moustache! TRIBE IN '05 BABY!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 MVP (AL): Gary Sheffield, Texas 294518[/snapback] Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 and the sox are going to start off the season 0-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Its the Yankee stampede! The Yakees are coming, the Yankees are coming!!! The Sox's beating begin tonight!!!!! GO YANKEES!!! ding ding....its begun!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 sigh.....it's going to be a loooooong offseason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 How can people say this rivalry is no longer there? I am a huge yankee fan, and I want to see the redsox implode now more than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Oh, man. I forgot how much this sucked. Thanks for reminding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 can we have a subforum created for this stuff? i can't even talk about march madness without having to go to a separate forum, but this yankee/red sox crap is permitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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