Tiberius Posted October 25, 2019 Author Posted October 25, 2019 Oh dear oh dear... CNN reports, “Lawyers for former national security adviser John Bolton have had talks with the three House committees leading the impeachment inquiry about a possible deposition, according to a source familiar. If he does give a deposition, Bolton would join a handful of current and former Trump administration members who have been interviewed this month as part of the Democratic-led inquiry into President Donald Trump’s dealings with Ukraine.” 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What are you a Constitutional scholar now? But let's all take Tom's word for it. He's an idiot I know from the internet. ? But... I guess if we have to trust somebody. Why not the one's with some kind of credentials. It's a start: "Senator Graham's resolution has absolutely no substance," ~Laurence Tribe, Carl M. Loeb University Professor and professor of constitutional law at Harvard.? "I looked at it carefully to see if any of its process complaints made sense historically, legally, or morally. I could find nothing in it worthy of being taken seriously. "And the fact that it focuses entirely on phony objections to a completely fair and traditional process speaks volumes about how little the Republican senators have to say in defense of what the president has done in shaking down a vulnerable ally for his own personal benefit." ~Laurence Tribe, Carl M. Loeb University Professor and professor of constitutional law at Harvard. "And everyone knows that the information being gathered will be public in a matter of weeks anyway, when POTUS and his people will have ample opportunity to rebut." ~Frank Bowman, Floyd R. Gibson Missouri Endowed Professor of Law at the University of Missouri It’s a total joke. They are complaining about the supposed secrecy, next month with impeachment will be a “show trial.” Orwell would be proud of this crowd 1
Deranged Rhino Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 Next month? They won't be ready until after Thanksgiving for the next phase per Schiff's own schedule. And by then, it'll be too late. Horowitz will have nuked their news cycle.
Tiberius Posted October 25, 2019 Author Posted October 25, 2019 Horowitz to the rescue!?! Yes!! But you guys guys will call the open proceeding a show trial totally forgetting you were complaining about “secrecy”
Deranged Rhino Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 Horowitz is just an opening salvo. He has no power to indict, only to refer. And his investigation is limited to only the DOJ, and only to current DOJ employees. But we know as of yesterday he has referred multiple people for prosecution based on the Russia investigation. That's real bad news for the House dems. And it's what they've been trying to get in front of with this whole Ukraine business. They just shot their wad too early, and now will be gutted because of it. And they will have deserved every bit of it. 4 1
RochesterRob Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: You could do the same research I did. Read the House rules of parliamentary procedure, tell me what the impeachment procedures are, and how they're being followed. They don't think that way. Congress is just an advocacy group to them, with no real power. They're not capable of understanding that anyone could perceive a House Democrat would be a threat to Trump...only another executive candidate could threaten him. That's why they're pursuing a coup, and not exercising true checks and balances. Only another executive can challenge his power. Not only that but bumping off the frontrunner presumably Warren opens a door for Hillary to walk through with minimal effort. Bumping off a House member does not do that.
Koko78 Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: John Bolton, liberal hero... Well, until this too blows up in their dipschiff faces... 2
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings."
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings." What do those grand jury transcripts have to do with an impeachment inquiry centering around a phone call to a Ukrainian President in August 2019? Also, isn’t the entire, unredacted Mueller Report in a secure room in Congress waiting to be reviewed by any Rep who wants to read it? 2 1
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: The only thing the Republicans want to keep secret is redacted Mueller Report information: "(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings." The House Judiciary Committee had gone to court seeking information in the Mueller report that is redacted because it came from secret grand jury proceedings." The law says the grand jury testimony is secret. Not the Republicans. 1 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, snafu said: What do those grand jury transcripts have to do with an impeachment inquiry centering around a phone call to a Ukrainian President in August 2019? Also, isn’t the entire, unredacted Mueller Report in a secure room in Congress waiting to be reviewed by any Rep who wants to read it? Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: The law says the grand jury testimony is secret. Not the Republicans. Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. DC Tom says: "Stop!" Does the law say the grand jury testimony is to remain secret.
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. DC Tom says: "Stop!" Does the law say the grand jury testimony is to remain secret. Ever wonder what my avatar is reaching for? It’s the stupid ***** you post. Youre the one “making it flow backwards”. 1 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, snafu said: Ever wonder what my avatar is reaching for? It’s the stupid ***** you post. Youre the one “making it flow backwards”. Nice! I appreciate that! LoL... 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 LOL Oh, makes more sense with what he tweeted first (still funny though)
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: LOL Oh, makes more sense with what he tweeted first (still funny though) Idiot! Get back in there at once and SUE, SUE, SUE! Oh... I mean sell Mortimer, sell, SELL it to the Deplorables Wilson! Edited October 26, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Obviously nothing you simpleton... Now go plunge that toilet. LoL... ? Look we have another idiot here. And the judge says its going to be released. Deal with it. Judge can't override federal criminal procedure and 28 USC 1867. Again, do your research. It's not me saying it. The law says it. The courts can't order a person to do an illegal thing.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Judge can't override federal criminal procedure and 28 USC 1867. Again, do your research. It's not me saying it. The law says it. The courts can't order a person to do an illegal thing. Anyway... Weren't you the one who wasn't crazy about Trump since the start? Saying that maybe the good of all this (him winning) was that Congress may actually do their job and pull the Executive Branch back from an authoritarian course. Did you change your mind? Are you all in on the authoritarian trend?
Foxx Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1188046504663158785 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1188050839086256128 4
snafu Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 9 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Anyway... Weren't you the one who wasn't crazy about Trump since the start? Saying that maybe the good of all this (him winning) was that Congress may actually do their job and pull the Executive Branch back from an authoritarian course. Did you change your mind? Are you all in on the authoritarian trend? What the Dems in the House are doing has nothing to do with checks and balances. It might if they made their inquiry an “open” event. They’re not open. The Legislature checking the Executive branch means not rubber stamping his legislative proposals, but modifying them after deliberation and proposing legislation which is a compromise. That’s the check that should have taken place. Congress complains that their power has waned, but they’ve abdicated a lot of it. They have an impeachment right, but that’s not really what is going on here. Schiff wants his inquiry to be to be like a grand jury proceeding. Who are the impartial jurors? They should be ALL of the representatives. Right now he’s acting more like a detective. Maybe that’s what he and Pelosi have in mind at this stage, but they’re too slick to communicate that properly. It leaves the rest of the country speculating about what’s going on and their motives. It leaves the media free to report selective leaks. It doesn’t allow anyone to come in and say “yeah, but here’s the reason why this is not an impeachable offense”. They’re doing it on purpose. I asked you yesterday: why the secrecy? Who are they trying to convince with these hearings? If Trump is so guilty then why not just vote now and impeach him — they have a majority. It is manipulation dressed up as checks and balances. This is a bizarro world civics lesson. 4
row_33 Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 They have shot their bolt through the lapdog media nothing to see here
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