Bi-Partisan Support For Impeachment

[Tiberius]

50 minutes ago, westside2 said:

I agree, what happened in 2016 with Hillary Clinton was corruption at it's very worst. Thank God we have decent hard working honest people like Barr investigating it. Don't worry tard, he will get to the bottom of this coup attempt. 

Lol, thanks for the comic relief! 

28 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I read (former) Ambassador Taylor’s prepared statement, as printed in the Washington Post.  I’m not certain it’s 100% accurate, but let’s assume it is for now. 

 

 

 

Taylor may well be an honorable American diplomat and soldier.  He clearly loves the region and sees Ukraine as a valuable partner to the US.  He clearly does not seem to be a fan of the current administration, and appears hostile to the Obama administration as well. Back to that in a moment. 
 

I’m thinking me, @Foxx @Deranged Rhino, and @Tiberiusare the only people left in America who do not serve as a Board Member for a Ukrainian company.  I was going to add @Buffalo_Gal to the list but she seems to be traveling an awful lot, and don’t even get me started on @Teddy KGB.   Anyway, Taylor advised he sat on the board of a Ukrainian company prior to returning to public service, and I wonder if we might ever stumble upon an official without financial ties to the region he is representing?  
 

Anyway, his statement is thorough and reflects his thoughts on the matter.  He addresses his concerns about withholding aid for any reason, his threats to resign if the aid was withheld, and his uneasiness with tying aid to investigations into Burisma and interference into our elections. He also expressed concern about RGs involvement and informal lines of communication. 
 

One of the advantages of open testimony in the light of day would be the opportunity to hear his thoughts on other administrations and “informal or irregular lines of communication” with other countries.  I am quite certain that these lines of communication exist, and that not every communication between countries goes through the ambassador directly.  
 

Anyway, beyond that, I’m not sure there is much to see here.  Ultimately, he works for the President, speaks of the reassurances that there was no quid pro quo, and expressed his concerns.  He threatened to resign, apparently chose not to, and seemed comfortable with no investigation at all into interference in our elections.  
 

Personally, I’d really like to hear from Ambassador To Libya Chris Stevens about both formal and informal/irregular channels of communication in general.  It might help the public understand the nuances of diplomacy in general, and provide some context to Ukraine specifically.  
 

 

He was pretty clear, our allies were being hung out to dry in a military situation with Russia shooting at their troops and Trump demanded a public statement that Biden was going to be investigated or the aid would not come. Quid pro quo 

[Tiberius]

53 minutes ago, dubs said:

what exactly did he say?  Where did you hear about it?  Let me save you the time:

 

you don’t know.  You heard it from the MSM/Democrats. 
 

god you’re a fool. 
 

 

I read his statement, he said Trump was demanding a televised statement of an investigation or no military aid was forth coming. 

[Greybeard]

29 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

I’m thinking me, @Foxx @Deranged Rhino, and @Tiberiusare the only people left in America who do not serve as a Board Member for a Ukrainian company.  I was going to add @Buffalo_Gal to the list but she seems to be traveling an awful lot, and don’t even get me started on @Teddy KGB.   Anyway, Taylor advised he sat on the board of a Ukrainian company prior to returning to public service, and I wonder if we might ever stumble upon an official without financial ties to the region he is representing?  
 

 

         I am not sure if I am on any Ukrainian Company Boards, but if I check my bank accounts, I don't see any of them increasing by $50,000 every month, so I guess that proves I am not.  Not even my offshore accounts.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Just now, Greybeard said:

         I am not sure if I am on any Ukrainian Company Boards, but if I check my bank accounts, I don't see any of them increasing by $50,000 every month, so I guess that proves I am not.  Not even my offshore accounts.

Ok, I’ll put you in the list because I’m a trusting soul. But I’m watching, always watching. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I read his statement, he said Trump was demanding a televised statement of an investigation or no military aid was forth coming. 

And tough guy Joe Biden openly brags that he demanded they STOP an investigation or no aid was coming. Yawn!

[Tiberius]

An American president tried to extort a foreign government into injecting itself into our election by finding dirt on a political opponent, using as leverage essential aid to an ally fighting against Russian aggression.

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And tough guy Joe Biden openly brags that he demanded they STOP an investigation or no aid was coming. Yawn!

But not for domestic political reasons, you probably don't understand the difference (just being honest) but there is a difference 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I read his statement, he said Trump was demanding a televised statement of an investigation or no military aid was forth coming. 

Apologies in advance to this who have the Tibster on ignore and have yet to banish me. 
 

Tibs, while  you’ve gone full Schifty crazy on this issue, I see how you got there.  The Ambassador wrote 15 pages and could have summarized in the two sentences you wrote, but I agree 100% that the ambassador wanted the aid without any conditions as to investigating Ukrainian interference in our election. The argument has not been that Trump threatened to withhold aid, it’s been that he specifically targeted Hunter Biden to get to Joe B for political reasons. IMO virtually everything is political so whatevs. 
 

Given that you supported the massive investigation by our country into Russian interference, the disruption of a presidency and suppression of the votes of millions of Americans, what was your sense of the Ambassador’s reasoning for not wanting the two tied together?  I’m curious as to why you think he would be opposed to tying aid into American interests abroad?  Do you think he did not believe the Ukes interfered, or that it was no big deal?  I think it’s aid is always about our national interest, no? 

[Westside]

30 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol, thanks for the comic relief! 

 

You think an attempted coup is funny? You can't disprove anything I said because it's the truth. I hope soros pays you enough for you to sell your soul. 

[dubs]

This is an amazing article from April. I recall CNN and NBC covering it and an article in the Times also, not. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats%3famp

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, westside2 said:

You think an attempted coup is funny? You can't disprove anything I said because it's the truth. I hope soros pays you enough for you to sell your soul. 

Isn't impeachment constitutional? 

[Gary M]

47 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I read his statement, he said Trump was demanding a televised statement of an investigation or no military aid was forth coming. 

 

I read the transcript, and there is no mention of Military aid or any other aid.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

 

If you can please indicate in which paragraph POTUS Trump states that I would appreciate it.

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

I read the transcript, and there is no mention of Military aid or any other aid.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

 

If you can please indicate in which paragraph POTUS Trump states that I would appreciate it.

Trump isn't quoted in it directly. His men were carrying out his orders. 

27 minutes ago, dubs said:

This is an amazing article from April. I recall CNN and NBC covering it and an article in the Times also, not. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats%3famp

That's an opinion piece 

[Westside]

38 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Isn't impeachment constitutional? 

Not when it's done in secret behind closed doors.

[Tiberius]

Just now, westside2 said:

Not when it's done in secret behind closed doors.

The Republicans are there in the room. 

 

Can an I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? 

[Westside]

Just now, Tiberius said:

The Republicans are there in the room. 

 

Can an I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? 

You've lied so much you can't even tell the truth to save your life. They're kicking Republicans out of the "hearing". How much more corrupt is that. Yet you defend it. 

I think PPP needs to drain the swamp in here, starting with you. 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, westside2 said:

You've lied so much you can't even tell the truth to save your life. They're kicking Republicans out of the "hearing". How much more corrupt is that. Yet you defend it. 

I think PPP needs to drain the swamp in here, starting with you. 

They are not! Just stop 

 

My God Westy 

[Westside]

Just now, Tiberius said:

They are not! Just stop 

 

My God Westy 

It's the truth. Sorry to break it to you. The whole DNC is as corrupt as the mafia. You've got Biden on video admitting to shake down the Ukrainians unless they do what he told them to do.

The Clintons, where do I even start with this corruption ridden couple?

Then there's shift shift. Lies after lies after lies. Nasty Nancy trying her best to hold on to her speaker position that she has become a puppet to the extreme left. She'll say or do whatever she has too to stay in control.

Good lord! I don't know how you can see anything with that log in your eye. (That's a biblical reference in case you were wondering)

[Bob in Mich]

2 hours ago, dubs said:

what exactly did he say?  Where did you hear about it?  Let me save you the time:

 

you don’t know.  You heard it from the MSM/Democrats. 
 

god you’re a fool. 
 

 

 

Didn't go to the Sabres game last night either but since I read about it, I know what happened.   They won in OT.  Eichel had great game.   Do you think that is true?  Were you there?

 

Must suck to have to deny reality in order to keep your position afloat.  Soon you will go to 'yeah all the accusations are true but it isn't a big deal'. 

 

I can keep going about the future fallback positions too.  It is all pretty clear.   With a few steps in the interim you will finish at ' Yeah, it was wrong and criminal and he shouldn't have done it but removing him wouldn't be good for our country.'    Sad.

Edited October 23, 2019 by Bob in Mich

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, westside2 said:

It's the truth. Sorry to break it to you. The whole DNC is as corrupt as the mafia. You've got Biden on video admitting to shake down the Ukrainians unless they do what he told them to do.

The Clintons, where do I even start with this corruption ridden couple?

Then there's shift shift. Lies after lies after lies. Nasty Nancy trying her best to hold on to her speaker position that she has become a puppet to the extreme left. She'll say or do whatever she has too to stay in control.

Good lord! I don't know how you can see anything with that log in your eye. (That's a biblical reference in case you were wondering)

How did they kick Republicans out of a congressional office or meeting room. Did mean old Adam Schiff wave his broom stick at them? 

[B-Man]

 

 

THAT OR THE REPUBLIC WILL: 

 

Impeachment Will Fail.

 

 

The Democrats are being led by a coalition of constitutional renegades, political tricksters, and would-be Maduros. They are speeding over a political cliff. The force of gravity will assert itself.