Warcodered Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Was that the packet full of conspiracy theories that was used to fire the ambassador to Ukraine right before all this ***** happened....weird timing.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Was that the packet full of conspiracy theories that was used to fire the ambassador to Ukraine right before all this ***** happened....weird timing. I don't know how they fit into the firing of the ambassador, but they're not conspiracy theories. They're SpyGate documents (apparently -- no confirmation yet on all the specifics). This was a trap, it's becoming clearer by the day imo. Trump baited them with a story, and Schiff bit. Hard. The democrats in leadership then rushed to follow his lead because the OIG report is coming and literally everything they're accusing Trump of having done on that call is what they themselves did in 2016 (they being the party/leadership). It's classic projection, and they rushed into the fray this fast and hard because they're out of time and it appeared to be their only weapon left. It's going to get much worse for them. 4 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: People were saying that about Republican subpoena power from the day this new nonsense started. Now, the Rs are finally putting it out to the general public. Both sides clearly have a plan in place. The Democrats plan seems to be blowing up in their faces (it is tough because there is no 'there' there, and we've seen this play before), and the Republicans seem to be (very) slow rolling out their response... almost as if they want to drag this out until the OIG report is released. 4-D chess, indeed. 3
joevan Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 18 U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to violate section 112, 1116, or 1201 shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed three years. (b) Whoever in connection with any violation of subsection (a) or actual violation of section 112, 1116, or 1201 makes any extortionate demand shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
KRC Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, joevan said: 18 U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to violate section 112, 1116, or 1201 shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed three years. (b) Whoever in connection with any violation of subsection (a) or actual violation of section 112, 1116, or 1201 makes any extortionate demand shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. Does that include congresscritters and former vice presidents? 1
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2019 Author Posted October 3, 2019 Quote President Donald Trump was in trouble with women voters long before House Democrats launched a formal impeachment inquiry against him last week. Since then, his standing has grown only worse. Nearly a half-dozen polls conducted since last Tuesday, when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi directed her colleagues to proceed with pursuing Trump for potentially impeachable offenses, have shown women voters rallying behind her decision, exacerbating concerns among White House allies that white women who helped carry Trump to victory in 2016 can no longer be counted on next November. The development comes as independent voters and college-educated whites — two more demographic groups that could make or break Trump’s reelection bid — have shown signs of softening their resistance to impeachment. Taken together, the latest polls paint an alarming picture for the president, whose base is sticking by him but cannot be counted on by themselves to deliver him a second term. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/03/trump-impeachment-2020-voters-022503
B-Man Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 Democrats' Trump Impeachment Push Is a Bonanza for Republicans by Rich Logis Original Article I'm ecstatic about President Trump's imminent impeachment. To paraphrase the scene in The Godfather, when Clemenza demonstrates to Michael how to shoot a gun, impeachment will reveal the bad blood that's been brewing in the Democratic Party since Trump's inauguration, between the Pelosis and the "new" Democrats, and it will further expose the Tessio Republicans and unify our nationalist base.
snafu Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, joevan said: 18 U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to violate section 112, 1116, or 1201 shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed three years. (b) Whoever in connection with any violation of subsection (a) or actual violation of section 112, 1116, or 1201 makes any extortionate demand shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. What do section 112, 1116 and/or 1201 say? This provision you posted is the penalty part.
SoCal Deek Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, snafu said: What do section 112, 1116 and/or 1201 say? This provision you posted is the penalty part. How is it extortion to withhold YOUR OWN money from someone? Answer: It’s not! 1
Rob's House Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, joevan said: 18 U.S. Code § 878.Threats and extortion against foreign officials, official guests, or internationally protected persons (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully threatens to violate section 112, 1116, or 1201 shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed three years. (b) Whoever in connection with any violation of subsection (a) or actual violation of section 112, 1116, or 1201 makes any extortionate demand shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. You're an idiot.
B-Man Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 At The Hill, Sharyl Attkisson dissects a CBS News poll that over-sampled Democrats, the results of which were equivocal. Another basic indicator is the Rasmussen survey, the only poll that continuously samples likely voters on a daily basis. Trump had been climbing in Rasmussen’s numbers before the impeachment frenzy broke, with an approval rating of 52%, implying a relatively clear path to re-election. The Democrats have indeed brought his numbers down, to 48/51, currently. But that is hardly a catastrophic drop during a period when the Democrats have had the news cycle mostly to themselves. But the problem with these early polls is that very few people know the facts. Many, not surprisingly, assume that where there is a great deal of smoke, there likely is some fire. But the Democrats face an intractable problem that will only get worse with time: no rational person could find grounds for impeachment in Trump’s phone call with Zelensky. .
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 ***** the Democrats. And ***** the cowardly, spineless and WORTHLESS republicans who won't speak out clearly against this sham. Looking at YOU, Mitt. 1
DC Tom Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: You're an idiot. I'm DC Tom, and I approve this message. 1 2
B-Man Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 There’s Dumb And Then There’s Impeachment Dumb by Kurt Schlichter The Democrats are experiencing the giddy delight of having finally summoned up the stones to push the big red “IMPEACHMENT!” button. Their tawdry joy will pass. It’s a dumb idea, and they will soon regret it. This sorry scenario brings to mind Napoleon’s apocryphal advice to never interrupt your enemy when he, she or xe is making a mistake, and if the cheesy performance art piece that is this bogus scandal wasn’t so poisonous to our body politic, it would be hilarious. Right now, the Dems are thrilled because they’re finally free of the tyranny of fairness and honesty and coherence, and they can indulge their deepest fantasies of frog-marching The Donald out of the Oval Office, to be replaced with Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit – wait, that’s not right. Why, that’s not right at all. They would replace Donald Trump with…Mike Pence, who will probably do the same things that have made Trump so successful without all the tweeting. They have not thought this through. The Democrats are basically the proverbial dog that chases the car and finally catches it, then thinks, in fluent Terrier, “Okay, what the hell do I do now?” Only this analogy breaks down because dogs are cool. So are cars, except Priuses packing “COEXIST” or faded “I’m With Her” bumper stickers. In contrast, all Democrats are lame. What is the plan here? They seem to be making it up as they stagger along. They latched onto this Ukraine thing about Bolivia Boy Biden and just went with it, not stopping to consider that outside their perverted coastal blue enclaves, people are going to look at him and think not that he’s the innocent victim of BAD ORANGE MAN but that he’s a crack-huffing, sibling widow-diddling weirdo. Where is Hunter Biden right now, anyway? If we had an actual media that wasn’t a garbage coterie of Democratic transcriptionists, we’d be seeing a dozen TV vans parked outside whatever flophouse he’s squatting in right about now. But we do have a media that’s a garbage coterie of Democratic transcriptionists. And regular people will see that. This impeachment idea is bound to bite them in the Schumer because it’s just so dumb that it can’t possibly resonate with normal people. {snip} The only people who actually believe this are, to use the clinical term, nuts. They make up a small but loud contingent. The people behind this exercise in futility are mostly the cynical libs online and in DC who will play along with what they know is a joke hoping they can undo 2016. So do the cruise-shilling Fredocon hacks of Conservative, Inc., who are eager to sign on and shed their dignity publicly – they usually only do that behind closed doors since, as Ace of Spades teaches, the shame is part of the kink – in order to try to salvage their tawdry Swamp status. But to everyone else, this is just stupid. We’re supposed to be outraged that Trump (not really, but go with it) tried to have his lawyers dig up dirt on his political opponents, that he consulted with foreign governments to do so, that he used the power of his office to influence the election? Wasn’t that exactly how we got Russiagate? So, basically, when the Dems do it, it’s a crucial quest for justice and when Trump does it OMIGOSH THE NORMS THEY ARE BROKEN! The media is going to try to chill out the terrified purple district Dems with soothing polls that explain how the majority of Americans love the idea of impeachment – just don’t look at those cross-tabs too closely! Now, impeachment is probably super-popular in big, blue dumb states like California and New York. But this kind of poll-skewing implies that this clusterfark is not so popular in normal places. You know, the places where the election will actually be decided? After all, Trump can lose CA and NY by 20 points and still win, and he can lose CA and NY by 40 points and still win. The Dems are going to flunk out of the Electoral College again. Impeachment is all fun and games for now. Schiff is in the spotlight and loving it. The media is collectively wetting itself. And the House is going to eventually vote 218 to 217 – Nancy will give as many purples a pass as she can – to pull the trigger. And then it will go over to the Murder Turtle’s lair and the first thing that Senate Majority Leader McConnell will do is issue a subpoena to Hunter Biden to come chat at the trial. That will be fun.
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