snafu Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: If we trade Risto I want a proven asset or a top tier, can’t miss prospect as the main piece. Honest Q: isn’t a can’t miss prospect 7 years from now the same thing as Risto today? Risto is a bird in the hand and he’s signed for awhile and he’s relatively cheap and he’s only 25. I know these are the exact things that make him a valuable trade chip, but I don’t see trading him for something that only might work out. I guess thats a roundabout way out way of saying that I’d much rather keep him — or at least make sure the return is a proven asset. 1
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, snafu said: Honest Q: isn’t a can’t miss prospect 7 years from now the same thing as Risto today? Risto is a bird in the hand and he’s signed for awhile and he’s relatively cheap and he’s only 25. I know these are the exact things that make him a valuable trade chip, but I don’t see trading him for something that only might work out. I guess thats a roundabout way out way of saying that I’d much rather keep him — or at least make sure the return is a proven asset. Thats what I meant. We need a good, proven asset back in a Risto trade. It has to be a sure thing. When I said top tier, can’t miss prospect I meant someone like Quinn Hughes (Vancouver’s top prospect, and one of the top 3 prospects in the whole NHL). He should be ready for the NHL by next season and his ceiling would make it worth the wait. Prospects like that don’t get traded though. Ideally id want to get an NHL player or two. (if the right player(s) was offered) But I don’t really want to trade Risto at all. I’d rather just keep him and see how he looks with a competent coach and d partner. Edited June 22, 2019 by BillsFan4 1
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Wow, shocker by Detroit! Moritz Seider! Board is sitting perfect for Buffalo right now. Please don’t mess it up Botts. Edited June 22, 2019 by BillsFan4
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Posted June 22, 2019 Buffalo picks Dylan Cozens. i thought it might be Zegras but Cozens is the better 2 way player and more of a shooter. Plus a very high compete level. Zegras is a pure play maker. We have a few of those already. Here is Kris Baker’s scouting report on Cozens - Quote Dylan Cozens – C, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL), 6'3.25", 183 lbs. “Botterill doesn’t like the CHL!!” = myth. If the Sabres don’t like Cozens, they simply don’t like 5v5 difference makers. Big and strong with excellent speed and surprising agility, Cozens isn't going to take long to make a dent. I’m not at all suggesting the Sabres rush him into the mix, but he’s explosive enough (and man-child enough) to immediately compete against NHL competition. I just don’t see the point in doing so. Let him cook, lead a World Junior team, continue to dominate, build off his 34-goal, 84-point season, etc. Cozens is a hard-driving kid who owns the center lane and thus commands attention whenever he’s on the ice. He’s a magnet for both pucks and defenders, and that bodes well for his teammates. As a shoot-first pivot, he launches heavy shots with a quick release that sees him score from range at his current level, but you can easily see his power game and hands quickly elevating pucks from in tight when he hits the NHL. Part of his quick path to NHL readiness is the fact that he’s an extremely reliable 200-foot player as well. The work ethic is in place as he consistently uses his quick feet, long stick, and big frame to do his job. He’s a very low-risk player with a legitimate top-six ceiling out of the box. I’m trying to identify deficiencies and I’m not seeing much to be worried about. Adding a player like Cozens would add a versatile, unique element to the Sabres center ranks. Keep in mind, I would personally simplify his life and bring him along as a winger when he first enters the league, but regardless the jam he’d bring to the table would be a more than welcome addition. ***
K-9 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Can’t complain. And JBotts busted the myth! Welcome to Buffalo, Dylan.
plenzmd1 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Can’t wait for the all the people who have never seen that Caulfield dude play complain JBotts blew it. Lets hope this dude is good!
K-9 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Ballsy pick by the Canucks but I suspect it’s gonna pay off big time. 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Can’t wait for the all the people who have never seen that Caulfield dude play complain JBotts blew it. Lets hope this dude is good! I wouldn’t have minded Caufield at all. In fact I wanted him. But I can’t fault JBotts at all for taking Cozens. Checks a lot of boxes.
plenzmd1 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: Ballsy pick by the Canucks but I suspect it’s gonna pay off big time. I wouldn’t have minded Caufield at all. In fact I wanted him. But I can’t fault JBotts at all for taking Cozens. Checks a lot of boxes. My only point is 99% of us have not seen anything but highlights, but internet jockeys will get outraged cause some analyst had em all worked up. 1
K-9 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: My only point is 99% of us have not seen anything but highlights, but internet jockeys will get outraged cause some analyst had em all worked up. Oh yeah, the outrage will be palpable. Like you said, nobody has a chance to see these kids regularly enough to make an educated guess. It’s a total leap of faith as fans. 1
JohnC Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Adding a center who has some size and plays a full length game somewhat fills the style of play of the departed ROR. Mitts is more of a skilled and offensive-mined player while Cozens is more of a north/south two way player. If Mitts develops then with Cozens we have three credible players up the middle. It's still going to take some time but the pieces are falling in place.
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Posted June 22, 2019 Called Spencer Knight to Florida. It just made too much sense. Drafting s goalie that high scares the crap out of me, though. They are soo hard to predict. Some of the most “can’t miss” goaltending prospects have busted, and 6th-7th round picks turn into super stars.
EmotionallyUnstable Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnC said: Adding a center who has some size and plays a full length game somewhat fills the style of play of the departed ROR. Mitts is more of a skilled and offensive-mined player while Cozens is more of a north/south two way player. If Mitts develops then with Cozens we have three credible players up the middle. It's still going to take some time but the pieces are falling in place. How many years out is that? Just kee burning away years years on current talent. I get what they’re doing long term...but this team needs to be competitive now.
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Posted June 22, 2019 Some scouting reports on Cozens. I don’t have time to post quotes from each right now so I’ll just post the links. https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/04/dylan-cozens-scouting-report/ https://dobberprospects.com/player/dylan-cozens/ https://puckprose.com/2019/05/19/2019-nhl-draft-profile-dylan-cozens-scouting-report/ https://www.milehighhockey.com/2019/5/25/18638733/2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-dylan-cozens-scouting-report And one on him being named WHL player of the year - https://globalnews.ca/news/4183846/cozens-whl-rookie-of-the-year/
Boca BIlls Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: Adding a center who has some size and plays a full length game somewhat fills the style of play of the departed ROR. Mitts is more of a skilled and offensive-mined player while Cozens is more of a north/south two way player. If Mitts develops then with Cozens we have three credible players up the middle. It's still going to take some time but the pieces are falling in place. This team has no time for "Ifs"
JohnC Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: Hearing that Vancouver is very close to trading for Tyson Barrie (right handed top 4 D from Colorado). If they do you can take them out of the Ristolainen sweepstakes. Im fine with that. Rumor is something like Jake Virtanen + 2020 1st (that will probably have protections on it). That’s not nearly enough for me to want to trade Risto. Virtanen has never broke 30pts (iirc 25pts is his career high). He’s whickly approaching bust status. And the 1st is a mystery box. If it ends up in the teens in a weaker 2020 draft, you may not even get a top 6 player out of the deal. If we trade Risto I want a proven asset or a top tier, can’t miss prospect as the main piece. You have to get good NHL players out of the deal. It can’t be a repeat of the ROR trade. Now there’s something to take pride in! lol I don't see us trading Risto. Even with a good return the void left by his loss would then require us to fill that created void. It's like dealing ROR and then having to refill the open slot. If there is a defenseman that is going to be moved it is more likely to be McCabe. There were reports that he was being shopped around. He's another player that I like a lot with my primary concern about him is that he is injury prone. 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: This team has no time for "Ifs" I don't understand your response.
JohnC Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: How many years out is that? Just kee burning away years years on current talent. I get what they’re doing long term...but this team needs to be competitive now. Making good draft selections doesn't preclude the organization from making deals that improve the roster. You don't think that the deal for Skinner didn't upgrade the roster? You don't think that the trade for Montour didn't improve the roster? You don't think that the signing of Pilot from the free agent market didn't help the roster? It's still early in the offseason. There will be opportunities to rework the roster to make it better. If you expect magic then go to the magic show where illusion may be eye-popping but it is not reality.
K-9 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Great pick by the Avs. Newhook is gonna be good. Not happy to see Caufield go to the Habs. That little bastard is gonna torture us for years.
shrader Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: Called Spencer Knight to Florida. It just made too much sense. Drafting s goalie that high scares the crap out of me, though. They are soo hard to predict. Some of the most “can’t miss” goaltending prospects have busted, and 6th-7th round picks turn into super stars. They went way over the top selling him on the broadcast. They pretty much said greatest American goalie of all time. They really need to tone it down a bit. And now watching Krebs walk out? That’s painful to watch. Edited June 22, 2019 by shrader
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