OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 Just now, Chandler#81 said: They can get in line! ....and it ain't SINGLE FILE either....... 1
K-9 Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Key to offer sheets and Sabres is Sabres do not have their 3rd round pick this year. So they could do the 4 first rounders, but any offer that requires a 3rd rounder is out of the wSabres. Thanks for this. IMO, Marner is in the $11m AAV range.
BillsFan4 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: couple of things here... 1) we dont know about movement clauses yet...that can always hold up a deal 2) the structue of the signing bonuses is key to Skinner. He gets lockout protection with the first payout..not sure why he took the the next one in year 5 instead of now. 3) the lower numbers in year 7 and 8 has to have something to do with buyouts...i just dont know what or what side it benefits LOL..will dig into that as well It actually hurts buffalo re: a buyout. Front-loaded contracts actually cost more cap space to buy-out in later years than ones with flat year-to-year salaries. A Skinner buy-out after six years would cost $4M in year 7 and $6M in year 8, with $2M each over the two following years. On a contract that paid a flat $9M per year, the buy-out would cost $3M in cap for all four years. 2 hours ago, JohnC said: Unless there is a beach where there is plenty of radiant sun in the dead of winter Panarin's girlfriend will never allow it. Booty can be influential. I see Panarin going to Florida or maybe even NY where there is plenty of Russian company and bars serving good vodka. It would be interesting to learn if Botts has a genuine interest in Duchene or vice versa. Ive read that Botterill is legitimately interested in Duchene and that he even checked into him at the deadline. I can’t remember where I read it, though. I think the deadline thing may have been Jeremy White’s secret source, so grain of salt and all that. 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Not from the Sabres. I’d do it if I were another team, though. Why not? He’s an elite player. But I suspect he will re-sign with the Leafs on a deal structured like Matthews’s. Gonna take a lot more than Risto, but that’s a starting point. Hall entering free agency is risky, but I’d still take the chance a la Skinner. I can’t recall if we were in discussions with the Oilers erode they trade Hall to New Jersey. Yes, it was reported by legitimate sources that Chiarelli offered Hall for Risto (supposedly 3 separate times) before he was traded to NJ. I do understand why Tim Murray didn’t/couldn’t do it at the time, but man that would be such a perfect trade for Buffalo now. No way I trade for Hall now without an extension, though. Or at least knowing that he’s 100% open to signing here. Way too risky otherwise.
K-9 Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 Just now, BillsFan4 said: It actually hurts buffalo re: a buyout. Front-loaded contracts actually cost more cap space to buy-out in later years than ones with flat year-to-year salaries. A Skinner buy-out after six years would cost $4M in year 7 and $6M in year 8, with $2M each over the two following years. On a contract that paid a flat $9M per year, the buy-out would cost $3M in cap for all four years. Ive read that Botterill is legitimately interested in Duchene and that he even checked into him at the deadline. I can’t remember where I read it, though. I think the deadline thing may have been Jeremy White’s secret source, so grain of salt and all that. Yes, it was reported by legitimate sources that Chiarelli offered Hall for Risto (supposedly 3 separate times) before he was traded to NJ. I do understand why Tim Murray didn’t/couldn’t do it at the time, but man that would be such a perfect trade for Buffalo now. No way I trade for Hall now without an extension, though. Or at least knowing that he’s 100% open to signing here. Way too risky otherwise. Murray screwed this franchise in so many ways. I liked his zero f***s given attitude at times, but man, Risto for Hall was a no brainer.
BillsFan4 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Posted June 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, K-9 said: Murray screwed this franchise in so many ways. I liked his zero f***s given attitude at times, but man, Risto for Hall was a no brainer. At the time, our blue line was Ristolainen, McCabe, Cody Franson, Pysyk (who turned into Kulikov after the draft), Josh gorges, Bogosian and Falk. And Risto was playing 25 minutes a night. I’d probably still make the trade but I get why Murray thought the Sabres couldn’t. Now that we have Dahlin and Montour, it would be a no-brainer if that offer was made again.
Alaska Darin Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 I don't know how the Sabres go after any high dollar free agent with Dahlin's big deal looming just a couple of years from now.
K-9 Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: At the time, our blue line was Ristolainen, McCabe, Cody Franson, Pysyk (who turned into Kulikov after the draft), Josh gorges, Bogosian and Falk. And Risto was playing 25 minutes a night. I’d probably still make the trade but I get why Murray thought the Sabres couldn’t. Now that we have Dahlin and Montour, it would be a no-brainer if that offer was made again. Yeah, that’s true. And I do have the benefit of hindsight. If I’m being totally honest when thinking back on it, we needed to keep Risto at the time. Absolutely. 1
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: At the time, our blue line was Ristolainen, McCabe, Cody Franson, Pysyk (who turned into Kulikov after the draft), Josh gorges, Bogosian and Falk. And Risto was playing 25 minutes a night. I’d probably still make the trade but I get why Murray thought the Sabres couldn’t. Now that we have Dahlin and Montour, it would be a no-brainer if that offer was made again. The Montour pick was a terrific deal. In my mind he is a legitimate second pairing defenseman. In that deal we traded one of our extra first round picks and Guhle for him. As it turned out Pilut moved ahead of Guhle in the system's defenseman ranking so losing Guhle wasn't a major loss. I'm hoping that our second first round pick can be part of a package that brings us a second line player who can be immediately added to the lineup. 1
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...think Pegula is tired of the "perennial losers" stigma and is on board with whatever it takes...... The Pegulas were always on board with whatever it takes attitude. The mistake that they initially made is hiring the wrong people. When they first bought the hockey team they unwisely were throwing money all over the place to acquire over-valued players that ended up weighing the franchise down. To their credit the Pegulas have learned from their mistakes and have assembled a more talented and professional front office and staff in both of their holdings.
K-9 Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Pegulas were always on board with whatever it takes attitude. The mistake that they initially made is hiring the wrong people. When they first bought the hockey team they unwisely were throwing money all over the place to acquire over-valued players that ended up weighing the franchise down. To their credit the Pegulas have learned from their mistakes and have assembled a more talented and professional front office and staff in both of their holdings. Christian Errorhoff says, “Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Pegula!” He will be on their payroll through 2027-28 to the tune of $860,000 per year. Nice.
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 3 hours ago, K-9 said: From the BN article this morning: ‘Nuff said. He’s not overpaid by one red cent. And look at some of the players making over $9m this year, too. What really impressed me about Skinner is that even when he was going through his scoring drought his level of play and effort never changed. Other than the puck not going in his play was always at a high level. I think it was you that pointed out that although it was not publicized he was playing with an injured ankle on a gruesome play that looked like it should have been broken. Shortly thereafter he was back on the ice with a little less verve. As you said he is not overpaid and the team got more than its money's worth. 2
K-9 Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnC said: What really impressed me about Skinner is that even when he was going through his scoring drought his level of play and effort never changed. Other than the puck not going in his play was always at a high level. I think it was you that pointed out that although it was not publicized he was playing with an injured ankle on a gruesome play that looked like it should have been broken. Shortly thereafter he was back on the ice with a little less verve. As you said he is not overpaid and the team got more than its money's worth. And he was playing hurt, too. When he got his lower leg wrenched against the Caps(?), I thought he’d suffered a gruesome injury, but he came back later and kept playing through it. Dude has the right stuff for sure. 1
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Christian Errorhoff says, “Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Pegula!” He will be on their payroll through 2027-28 to the tune of $860,000 per year. Nice. You hit a bullseye! For some people having a fat wallet is more important than having integrity. I rank this expenditure as foolish as the Rex expenditure. What's the definition of fraud?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Pegulas were always on board with whatever it takes attitude. The mistake that they initially made is hiring the wrong people. When they first bought the hockey team they unwisely were throwing money all over the place to acquire over-valued players that ended up weighing the franchise down. To their credit the Pegulas have learned from their mistakes and have assembled a more talented and professional front office and staff in both of their holdings. .....excellent call John...I give them high marks for admitting their mistakes followed by a supreme effort to atone....when they bought the club as neophytes, they stayed with status quo....Regier was a useless snake who threw Lindy under the bus and his scam became evident....LaFontaine was a hometown "name hire" who cowardly bailed when Murray traded Miller...Rolston was a joke.....Dan B was NOT ready ......Housley, although appearing to be ready after Asst Coach stint with Preds, was not and yet another name infatuation...here's to hoping we have it right THIS TIME.......... 1
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....excellent call John...I give them high marks for admitting their mistakes followed by a supreme effort to atone....when they bought the club as neophytes, they stayed with status quo....Regier was a useless snake who threw Lindy under the bus and his scam became evident....LaFontaine was a hometown "name hire" who cowardly bailed when Murray traded Miller...Rolston was a joke.....Dan B was NOT ready ......Housley, although appearing to be ready after Asst Coach stint with Preds, was not and yet another name infatuation...here's to hoping we have it right THIS TIME.......... There is another aspect to the owners willingness to spend on behalf of their teams. They have upgraded the facilities and training staff to an elite level. One of the first things that the Pegulas (mostly Kim) did was upgraded the locker and training room for the hockey team. And they did the same for the football team. Without question they have made glaring mistakes as first time owners. They would admit to that. But they have learned what it takes to be good owners. As in any endeavor you learn by your mistakes and through experience. Western NY is very fortunate to have them involved not only with the franchises but also in the community. 3
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: There is another aspect to the owners willingness to spend on behalf of their teams. They have upgraded the facilities and training staff to an elite level. One of the first things that the Pegulas (mostly Kim) did was upgraded the locker and training room for the hockey team. And they did the same for the football team. Without question they have made glaring mistakes as first time owners. They would admit to that. But they have learned what it takes to be good owners. As in any endeavor you learn by your mistakes and through experience. Western NY is very fortunate to have them involved not only with the franchises but also in the community. ...EXACTLY why I cannot stomach and loathe references to Pegulas being "clueless owners"......they also own the AHL affiliate Rochester Americans as a developmental club for the Sabres....PSE has taken over Blue Cross Arena management as well as committing 10 million PERSONALLY for facility upgrades.....yup, they don't give a rat's azz.....SMH......... 1
Pete Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Thank God Botts got it done. Now let’s add Duchene in FA. "Dufresne Duchene, party of two, Dufresne Duchene, party of two." But then if no one answers they'll just go right on to the next name. "Bush, party of three." Yeah, what happened to the Dufresnes? No one seems to give a *****. Who can eat at a time like this? People are missing! That would be a great signing if they find Duchene. And if he's eaten. Mitch Hedberg is one of the all time greats IMO Edited June 8, 2019 by Pete
JohnC Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...EXACTLY why I cannot stomach and loathe references to Pegulas being "clueless owners"......they also own the AHL affiliate Rochester Americans as a developmental club for the Sabres....PSE has taken over Blue Cross Arena management as well as committing 10 million PERSONALLY for facility upgrades.....yup, they don't give a rat's azz.....SMH......… Does SMH mean: "So much Horseshiiit"? Very often I am not with it.
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