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Buffalo Sabres and NHL: 2019/20: Sabres season officially over. Draft lottery June 26th


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12 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

I'm glad you did.  It's horrible.  And, the sound is so muddy.  My ears are not good, but I can hear the game on TV fine.  Go into another room with the radio - and it sounds much like adults do in Peanuts cartoons.  It's all crowd noise..........Somebody who used to work on the tech part said it's because of the simulcast.  

 

Yep.  Awful.  I'm sure my email is going straight to the "deleted" box.

I don't know how many teams simulcast, but I've got the luxury of living in a place where the local team (Rangers) does a separate TV and Radio broadcast. It is a please to hear a proper radio guy do the game.  Actually, the Islanders do it, too but it is hard to find the Islanders on the radio.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Yep.  Awful.  I'm sure my email is going straight to the "deleted" box.

I don't know how many teams simulcast, but I've got the luxury of living in a place where the local team (Rangers) does a separate TV and Radio broadcast. It is a please to hear a proper radio guy do the game.  Actually, the Islanders do it, too but it is hard to find the Islanders on the radio.

 

 

 

What I find weird is that RJ was the radio guy (I think for a long time while Ted Darling was the TV PBP) - and yet he seems to have forgot he's on the radio at all.  And, Ted Darling was the one (before the score was always on the screen) who would have an egg timer and went it got to the end it would remind him to give out the score.  

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8 hours ago, K-9 said:

Speaking of Mittelstadt, here’s his second goal in as many games. Like the one above, this shows a level of confidence we haven’t seen here. Nice.

 



 

 

That’s great to see. This is the Mittelstadt that had draft analysts calling him one of the top 3 prospects not playing in the NHL a couple years ago. 

 

He looks to be regaining some confidence, but I hope they leave him down in Rochester for a while yet. Make 100% sure he’s ready before you call him back up. I’m even fine with it if they leave him down there all season and son’t give him another shot at the Sabres roster until next year in camp. 

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2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

That’s great to see. This is the Mittelstadt that had draft analysts calling him one of the top 3 prospects not playing in the NHL a couple years ago. 

 

He looks to be regaining some confidence, but I hope they leave him down in Rochester for a while yet. Make 100% sure he’s ready before you call him back up. I’m even fine with it if they leave him down there all season and son’t give him another shot at the Sabres roster until next year in camp. 

I hope he stays in Rochester the remainder of the year. If he comes back up, I’m gonna call for JBott’s immediate firing. 

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3 hours ago, bbb said:

 

Does he give the score so that people listening on the radio have a clue about what the situation is?  Nobody else does. 

If you are listening to the radio whether RJ is giving the score or not you will not know what is actually happening on the ice. I don't want to be mean-spirited but sometimes making a change in the booth is a good thing. Very often when there is too much reverence for the past it is to the detriment of the present. 

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Yep.  Awful.  I'm sure my email is going straight to the "deleted" box.

I don't know how many teams simulcast, but I've got the luxury of living in a place where the local team (Rangers) does a separate TV and Radio broadcast. It is a please to hear a proper radio guy do the game.  Actually, the Islanders do it, too but it is hard to find the Islanders on the radio.

 

 

As you are noting there is a different skill set between TV and radio. These two different mediums don't really overlap. 

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6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Whoa! Preds were definitely struggling so I gues it’s not that surprising, but I still think Lavy is one of the better coaches in the NHL. David Poile’s usually not which to fire coaches. He must be pretty pissed. 

And the Sabres kept ruff far how long

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And Tim Murray gave up a fortune right after this incident. Kane’s teammates throw his clothes in the shower. Kane then decides to have season ending surgery (he confirms this incident is what made him decide to do it then) during the Jets first legit playoff push since moving to Winnipeg (nor saying I blame Kane for having the surgery).

 

Everyone in the world knew Winnipeg had to trade him and yet Murray still paid more than full price. I remember a quote from Jim Benning (supposedly the only other team in on Kane at the time), saying that he made a reasonable offer but as soon as he heard what Buffalo was offering he immediately pulled out of the trade. He said he wasn’t willing to discuss trading the caliber of players Buffalo was. 

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10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Evander Kane is a talented player. However, this skilled and tough player has not always acted maturely within the locker room and off the ice. I don't believe that he is a bad guy but especially when he was younger this spirited fellow didn't know how to wisely handle himself off the ice. There are traps for individuals who because of their public and high profile line of work come under more scrutiny than other people. It's just the nature of the beast that can't be altered.

 

It's not surprising that when you get older you become more mature and worldly. I think he has grown up a lot. However, his off ice spirit and exhuberance still isn't fully tamed.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/sharks-evander-kane-sued-by-las-vegas-casino-over-unpaid-500000-gambling-debt/

 

  

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4 hours ago, JohnC said:

If you are listening to the radio whether RJ is giving the score or not you will not know what is actually happening on the ice. I don't want to be mean-spirited but sometimes making a change in the booth is a good thing. Very often when there is too much reverence for the past it is to the detriment of the present. 

As you are noting there is a different skill set between TV and radio. These two different mediums don't really overlap. 

When simulcasting, the solution lies in just having the then play by play guy just call the game like its a radio broadcast only. 
 

Problem is, Dunleavy absolutely BLOWS at descriptive, informative play by play, regardless. He’s the worst hockey guy ever. Bad on TV, absolutely horrendous on radio.

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8 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

now 

 

If Murray was still our GM he would have traded Luukkonen for some immediate help at the expense of the future. Our current GM is building up the organization so that success can be more durable. Player development may be a less glamorous and a slower process to the path of success than making a lot of splashy deals by shedding assets but in the end those expedient moves get you nowhere meaningful. 

 

Murray's Lehner deal still irks me. He traded a first round pick for a goalie that Ottawa wasn't going to keep. That first round pick in a rich draft year could have now been an entrenched second line forward. An accumulation of bad decisions has damaged this franchise. It's just so stupid!

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13 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

And Tim Murray gave up a fortune right after this incident. Kane’s teammates throw his clothes in the shower. Kane then decides to have season ending surgery (he confirms this incident is what made him decide to do it then) during the Jets first legit playoff push since moving to Winnipeg (nor saying I blame Kane for having the surgery).

 

Everyone in the world knew Winnipeg had to trade him and yet Murray still paid more than full price. I remember a quote from Jim Benning (supposedly the only other team in on Kane at the time), saying that he made a reasonable offer but as soon as he heard what Buffalo was offering he immediately pulled out of the trade. He said he wasn’t willing to discuss trading the caliber of players Buffalo was. 

My biggest knock on Murray was that as a GM he didn't have a vision on how to build a franchise. He made day to day transactional deals without adequately considering the longer term implications. He was too much of a tactician in a job that called for strategic decisions. He was more of a checker player than a chess player. He was the Sabres version of the Bills' Buddy Nix. He was simply out of his element. 

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13 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

And Tim Murray gave up a fortune right after this incident. Kane’s teammates throw his clothes in the shower. Kane then decides to have season ending surgery (he confirms this incident is what made him decide to do it then) during the Jets first legit playoff push since moving to Winnipeg (nor saying I blame Kane for having the surgery).

 

Everyone in the world knew Winnipeg had to trade him and yet Murray still paid more than full price. I remember a quote from Jim Benning (supposedly the only other team in on Kane at the time), saying that he made a reasonable offer but as soon as he heard what Buffalo was offering he immediately pulled out of the trade. He said he wasn’t willing to discuss trading the caliber of players Buffalo was. 

It’s interesting that only Bogo and Roslovic, the player the Jets selected with the 25th overall pick in the ‘15 draft that Murray included in the deal, are the only two players still with the two teams involved in the trade. And they both aren’t very good. 

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Mike Harrington of the BN gives his capsulation of the season. He points out that the schedule favors us because we have already played the better teams in our division (and mostly lost) with plenty of remaining games against teams we have done well against. He points out that the team's 5 on 5 play is solid while its PK and PP units have failed us.  

https://buffalonews.com/2020/01/06/buffalo-sabres-nhl-buffalo-bills-nfl-jack-eichel-josh-allen-news-opinion-2020/

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2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Mike Harrington of the BN gives his capsulation of the season. He points out that the schedule favors us because we have already played the better teams in our division (and mostly lost) with plenty of remaining games against teams we have done well against. He points out that the team's 5 on 5 play is solid while its PK and PP units have failed us.  

https://buffalonews.com/2020/01/06/buffalo-sabres-nhl-buffalo-bills-nfl-jack-eichel-josh-allen-news-opinion-2020/

If we can fix the special teams for the second half of the season and simply maintain our 5x5 proficiency, we may, MAY, have a chance to get back in it. Regarding 5x5, I was surprised to hear that Jack had more points than McDavid at even strength when we played Edmonton last Thursday. 

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14 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Whoa! Preds were definitely struggling so I gues it’s not that surprising, but I still think Lavy is one of the better coaches in the NHL. David Poile’s usually not which to fire coaches. He must be pretty pissed. 

He was only their 2nd coach in team history

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13 hours ago, JohnC said:

Evander Kane is a talented player. However, this skilled and tough player has not always acted maturely within the locker room and off the ice. I don't believe that he is a bad guy but especially when he was younger this spirited fellow didn't know how to wisely handle himself off the ice. There are traps for individuals who because of their public and high profile line of work come under more scrutiny than other people. It's just the nature of the beast that can't be altered.

 

It's not surprising that when you get older you become more mature and worldly. I think he has grown up a lot. However, his off ice spirit and exhuberance still isn't fully tamed.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/sharks-evander-kane-sued-by-las-vegas-casino-over-unpaid-500000-gambling-debt/

 

  

I have said it since the trade that Murrays problems were Making the trades, it was that he always overpaid in them. He seemed to be someone who would get excited for a certain player and just run to the other team with a blank check telling them to fill in the amount. Everyone knew Buffalo was one of the only teams that would be able to trade for Kane and give up something the Jets could use for the playoffs at the deadline knowing Kane would not play the rest of the year. He should have been using that to his advantage and gotten alot more for what he gave up or gotten the deal done for alot less. The other players/picks that were given up could have been used as assetts in another deal later on. Getting Lehner was not a bad move either, but knowing that Ottawa had to dump one of them, should have been getting him for a 3rd or 4th with his injury history and still being an unknown commodity at this point.

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5 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I have said it since the trade that Murrays problems were Making the trades, it was that he always overpaid in them. He seemed to be someone who would get excited for a certain player and just run to the other team with a blank check telling them to fill in the amount. Everyone knew Buffalo was one of the only teams that would be able to trade for Kane and give up something the Jets could use for the playoffs at the deadline knowing Kane would not play the rest of the year. He should have been using that to his advantage and gotten alot more for what he gave up or gotten the deal done for alot less. The other players/picks that were given up could have been used as assetts in another deal later on. Getting Lehner was not a bad move either, but knowing that Ottawa had to dump one of them, should have been getting him for a 3rd or 4th with his injury history and still being an unknown commodity at this point.

I agree with your post.

 

Children act on impulses; GMs should not. My main criticism of the Lehner deal was not that he acquired him but what he paid for him. That draft pick in a rich draft year could possibly have been an entrenched second line player on our current roster. 

 

If you look at what Botts has accomplished in the past few years and consider the possibility that he could have started the rebuild process a couple years sooner this franchise would be in a much better situation. There are plenty of critics of our current GM. I'm not one of them. I think he has done a good job and put this franchise in a good situation in the very near future. 

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