4merper4mer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Mickey Mouse organization!? wonder what Gretz would call the Sabres of the last 10 years. BTW, gunna try to beak the jinx and not bet the moneyline for the Panthers game , so for all you gamblers out there you should prolly load up on the Sabres to win. Is there an over/under on how many games before the Sabres actually score a goal when Eichel is not on the ice? It's been 4+ games since this wonderful roster assembled by the genius golfer gas scored a single goal in that manner. Eichel has scored all but three of those goals, he assisted on two of those and was on the ice for the other. Edited November 23, 2019 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, JohnC said: . Would I risk trading a Risto for Hall? No, because of the risk of losing him to free agency. If I give up an asset I want a secure asset back. I say 100% yes, get Risto contract off the books, even if ya just get picks back. Risto is not GOOD, his reputation is good. Now granted, if you can find the odd GM like Chiarelli that still believes in the "eye" test, maybe you can get a Top 9 forward back for him. But modern GMs like Dubas will go nowhere near Risto...thats why he sits on the Sabres till this day. Its just like any other asset..there is mo inherit "worth" in the asset, its "worth" is what someone is willing to pay for it. No one is willing to pay for Risto at this point 37 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Is there an over/under on how many games before the Sabres actually score a goal when Eichel is not on the ice? It's been 4+ games since this wonderful roster assembled by the genius golfer gas scored a single goal in that manner. Eichel has scored all but three of those goals, he assisted on two of those and was on the ice for the other. well, they just waived the top rated "forward" from the Wild game...so what does that tell ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/chris-taylor-is-going-back-to-being-the-head-coach-in-roch Chris Taylor is headed back to Rochester to take over head coaching duties again. Hopefully it was a good learning experience for him. I was actually pretty impressed with the job Gord Dineen has done in Taylor’s place. The Amerks are tied for 1st. They are tied with the Marlies at 25pts. The very best team in the AHL so far this season has 29pts, but with 2 more games played. So Dineen has the Amerks right there with the best AHL teams, even with all the call-ups and injuries (rochester’s had quite a few). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I say 100% yes, get Risto contract off the books, even if ya just get picks back. Risto is not GOOD, his reputation is good. Now granted, if you can find the odd GM like Chiarelli that still believes in the "eye" test, maybe you can get a Top 9 forward back for him. But modern GMs like Dubas will go nowhere near Risto...thats why he sits on the Sabres till this day. As usual I disagree with your logic and reasoning. If you can't get a second line forward in return in a Risto trade then I say keep him. Risto is a flawed player like most players are. He's certainly not the greatest thinker on the ice. However, he is one of the few physical players on a mostly soft roster. Also, there are reasons why Krueger gives him more ice time than any player on the team. And there are reasons why he plays the Risto/McCabe combo in critical end of game scenarios rather than the first pairing of Montour/Dahlin in those type of close out situations. I'm not against trading anyone other than Jack and Dahlin. The underlying basis for any trade deal is at the minimum commensurate value back. You may not be reluctant to make impulsive and reactionary deals but I am. Edited November 23, 2019 by JohnC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sabres-john-gilmour-rochester-americans/c-311679120 Gilmour cleared waivers (no surprise) and was assigned to Rochester. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sabres-john-gilmour-rochester-americans/c-311679120 Gilmour cleared waivers (no surprise) and was assigned to Rochester. It wasn't too long ago that the Sabres had one of the worst and thinnest blue line units. In a relatively short time JBotts bolstered this unit with the additions of Miller, Montour and Jokiharju thus providing some trade ammunition to address other needs. I'm hoping that with a few deals this year and with an offseason where we are in good cap shape that GM can upgrade the forward lines. I'm aware how frustrated people get with the losing but if you stand back and put things in perspective the pieces are steadily being added. What I don't want to see is another ROR type deal that set this franchise back with his departure. The problem wasn't that he was dealt because there was some internal stuff that was happening that forced this deal. The problem was the inadequate return for this valuable asset. That is why I am so adamant that if a good deal can't be made with Risto or any player then bide your time and wait until a more balanced deal can be made. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Bogo activated, Sobotka to LTIR...hmmm. Whos sittin for Bogo tomorrow? We all still gunna be good with Ralph if its Joki who sits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 45 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Bogo activated, Sobotka to LTIR...hmmm. Whos sittin for Bogo tomorrow? We all still gunna be good with Ralph if its Joki who sits? I'm good with however Krueger wants to rotate his defensemen. Bogo has been out of action for a very long time. So I don't see him playing back to back games. If the erudite HC has a rotation among three or four players I'm fine with it. I'm a Joki fan. The trade to get him was a terrific deal for us. He may be the second youngest defenseman on the unit but he is arguably the most consistent player on the blue line. Players get dinged and trades get made so having a temporary excess of defensemen is a good problem to have. What is the nature of Sobotka's injury? I'm not sure if it has been revealed by the organization? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 11 games at or above 50% expected goals. 11 games under 50% They appear to be trending up again. Hopefully it sticks longer this time... https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-process-not-results-2019-20/ Sabres article on hockey news. I know you’ll like this one, John! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: 11 games at or above 50% expected goals. 11 games under 50% They appear to be trending up again. Hopefully it sticks longer this time... https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-process-not-results-2019-20/ Sabres article on hockey news. I know you’ll like this one, John! ? This was an excellent analysis of where the Sabres are currently at. My assessment of this team and organization matches the writer's assessment. As you well know I have frequently stated that this rebuilding of the roster was never going to be a quick process. Those despondent zealots who out of frustration are advocating for blowing up the roster are like runners who are running a marathon and are past the half-way point who then decide to go back to the starting line and start over again. That's a ridiculous and self-defeating approach to take. Clearly this team has obvious deficiencies with its lines. There simply aren't enough goal scorers who can convert when opportunities arise. On the plus side what we do have that is encouraging is an astute coach who is installing a system with a buy-in by the players. It was disappointing that the Sabres lost against the Bruins but it was encouraging how well they played against a cup caliber team. I believe that this team and organization are moving in the right direction. We should be able to get some forward help through trades this season. I'm looking to enter this offseason with a favorable cap situation that will put us in a good position to make a couple more meaningful deals that will address our glaring deficiencies on our lines. I will repeat what I have been saying for the past year or so to the chorus of snickers: Stay the course and trust the process. Edited November 24, 2019 by JohnC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 56 minutes ago, JohnC said: This was an excellent analysis of where the Sabres are currently at. My assessment of this team and organization matches the writer's assessment. As you well know I have frequently stated that this rebuilding of the roster was never going to be a quick process. Those despondent zealots who out of frustration are advocating for blowing up the roster are like runners who are running a marathon and are past the half-way point who then decide to go back to the starting line and start over again. That's a ridiculous and self-defeating approach to take. Clearly this team has obvious deficiencies with its lines. There simply aren't enough goal scorers who can convert when opportunities arise. On the plus side what we do have that is encouraging is an astute coach who is installing a system with a buy-in by the players. It was disappointing that the Sabres lost against the Bruins but it was encouraging how well they played against a cup caliber team. I believe that this team and organization are moving in the right direction. We should be able to get some forward help through trades this season. I'm looking to enter this offseason with a favorable cap situation that will put us in a good position to make a couple more meaningful deals that will address our glaring deficiencies on our lines. I will repeat what I have been saying for the past year or so to the chorus of snickers: Stay the course and trust the process. ? Yes, for many years you have been saying that!!! ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) I have no idea of the the veracity of this tweet or the nature of the injuries.... but your up Bots! Just read a game recap. One D man is expected to be fine, it is actually Beaulieu(sp)who needs more tests to determine injury. Our boy Dmitri Kulikov played a ton in the 3rd, and I guess played well. Add in Myers, Jets have to be happy how their farm team the Sabres develops D men for them, get it done BOTS! Edited November 24, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 12 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: 11 games at or above 50% expected goals. 11 games under 50% They appear to be trending up again. Hopefully it sticks longer this time... https://thehockeywriters.com/sabres-process-not-results-2019-20/ Sabres article on hockey news. I know you’ll like this one, John! ? Does that chart give a prediction for the next time a goal will be scored without Eichel on the ice? Let me guess. The 12th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 10 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Does that chart give a prediction for the next time a goal will be scored without Eichel on the ice? Let me guess. The 12th? Sunday November 24th. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Both the Bills and Sabres looked good for an entire game and won. On the same day. I think I may play the lottery tomorrow... lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I expected Bogo to still be a little stiff in his first game back, but boy the guy cannot move anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 20 hours ago, thebug said: ? Yes, for many years you have been saying that!!! ? I will continue to say it because its the right course to take. Player development and smart deals such as the Skinner, Montour and Joki deals steadily add to the talent base. JBotts is not doing anything differently from a franchise building standpoint that successful organizations do. For those who are arguing to blow up or dramatically alter the roster I say you are destructively misguided. My conviction is still to stay the course and when the opportunities exist to improve the roster through trades then make them. I'm confident that in the not too distant future this approach will prove to be successful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 52 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Both the Bills and Sabres looked good for an entire game and won. On the same day. I think I may play the lottery tomorrow... lol. I was only able to see the last two periods in this game. I thought that Ullmark was our #1 star in this game. On this road trip the Sabres have played well against Boston and Florida, two good teams. That's encouraging. Is Vesey ever going to score? He has had good chances. However, I won't criticize him for his effort. He's a consistent high effort player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, JohnC said: I will continue to say it because its the right course to take. Player development and smart deals such as the Skinner, Montour and Joki deals steadily add to the talent base. JBotts is not doing anything differently from a franchise building standpoint that successful organizations do. For those who are arguing to blow up or dramatically alter the roster I say you are destructively misguided. My conviction is still to stay the course and when the opportunities exist to improve the roster through trades then make them. I'm confident that in the not too distant future this approach will prove to be successful. Eventually you will be right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Nice to hear numerous prospected are playing well. Cozens is currently sitting atop the entire WHL, tied for the scoring lead with 1 less game played than the kid he’s tied with. https://www.quanthockey.com/whl/en/seasons/2019-20-whl-players-stats.html It would be so huge for the Sabres if they really hit on that Cozens pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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