JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, GG said: How many of those perimeter players are GMTM holdovers? I don't want to only blame TM about the roster composition. Our current GM definitely deserves blame. The Sheary acquisition is the poster child for players whose style of play aren't conducive to playing around the net. When you combine this deficiency with the lack of goal scoring talent who can't convert when opportunities exist then you have an offense that is impotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: I don't want to only blame TM about the roster composition. Our current GM definitely deserves blame. The Sheary acquisition is the poster child for players whose style of play aren't conducive to playing around the net. When you combine this deficiency with the lack of goal scoring talent who can't convert when opportunities exist then you have an offense that is impotent. He apparently liked Sheary so much, he traded for his clone this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Holy crap! Never saw that coming. Players must have revolted. And if that’s the case, the Leafs may have bigger issues than head coach. But, like the old saying goes, you can’t fire the players. I think there was an internal power struggle for the past year or so between Dubas and Babcock. A buddy of mine is a huge Leafs fan thought he wouldn't make it to Xmas. I imagine Shanahan thought moving forward with Dubas was more conducive to longterm success than keeping Babcock aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Lots of botterill hate going on. I dont keep up with hockey but how come we constantly dont have talent after all these years? There is plenty of blame to go along with the current and prior regimes. But when you make an accumulation of personnel mistakes in a cap system you weigh the franchise down for an extended period of time. Mistakes made regarding talent, contracts and term reverberate for years. The Okposo contract is very damaging to the franchise not so much because of its cost as it is for its length. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JohnC said: There is plenty of blame to go along with the current and prior regimes. But when you make an accumulation of personnel mistakes in a cap system you weigh the franchise down for an extended period of time. Mistakes made regarding talent, contracts and term reverberate for years. The Okposo contract is very damaging to the franchise not so much because of its cost as it is for its length. i hope what you said n your other comments is true in that they have a plan to make this roster right, sick of all this losing !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, GG said: He apparently liked Sheary so much, he traded for his clone this season It's all part of the 23.5 year plan. 37 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: i hope what you said n your other comments is true in that they have a plan to make this roster right, sick of all this losing !!! Lol he has a plan and the centerpiece is Eichel's future grandson. Be patient. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Botterill will be joining whaley and murray at the bar soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, shrader said: So now you've moved the goal posts on me. First it was those guys causing cap issues, now it's that they are under-performing. I don’t think I did.. my point is the cap issues on this team on caused by the guys in the middle not producing, not the guys making 6+. And any cap issue is always caused by people underperforming no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I don’t think I did.. my point is the cap issues on this team on caused by the guys in the middle not producing, not the guys making 6+. And any cap issue is always caused by people underperforming no? Cap issues are defined completely by dollars. A winning team can have cap issues too. A perfect example is Boston who has no cap space either but is in first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 hours ago, stony said: I think there was an internal power struggle for the past year or so between Dubas and Babcock. A buddy of mine is a huge Leafs fan thought he wouldn't make it to Xmas. I imagine Shanahan thought moving forward with Dubas was more conducive to longterm success than keeping Babcock aboard. Maybe its as simple as the Leafs management has expectations of winning, they weren't wining, so the coach goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Maybe its as simple as the Leafs management has expectations of winning, they weren't wining, so the coach goes. Idk, I like my conspiracy theory better. Yours makes a little too much sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Maybe its as simple as the Leafs management has expectations of winning, they weren't wining, so the coach goes. Yeah they weren't winning but the players had tuned out the coach. They stopped playing for him. I have my doubts a new coach will change anything. The Leafs have too many guys with character flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I like to picture an actual struggle between Dubas and Babcock in my mind. It's really tough to pick a winner in that one.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 hours ago, stony said: I think there was an internal power struggle for the past year or so between Dubas and Babcock. A buddy of mine is a huge Leafs fan thought he wouldn't make it to Xmas. I imagine Shanahan thought moving forward with Dubas was more conducive to longterm success than keeping Babcock aboard. That sounds like what happened from what I’ve read. I can’t find the article right now (I’ll post it if I do), but I read somewhere that Dubas wanted to fire Babcock last season and Shanahan stepped in to protect him. It makes sense that Dubas would want a different coach. He’s what, 33 years old? And he’s as new-school as it gets. Where as Babcock is as old school as it gets, and he’s not exactly known for being super positive (like Dubas). He’s more of a hard ass, grind the players down type of coach. Lou Lamoriello and Babcock were a perfect match. Dubas and Babcock, not so much. Brenden Shanahan is now all-in with a Dubas. It’ll be interesting to see how it works out. Like him or not, Babcock is known as one of the best coaches in the NHL. I have a lot of respect for how well prepared he (usually) has his teams, and there’s no denying that he came in and changed that culture in Toronto, pretty much day 1. Babcock also took most of the heat from the media. He said he viewed it as part of his job, and wanted that heat in order to take it off the players. And he Was taking a Lot of heat. Now, that will all fall on the players and a rookie 30-something year old coach and his 30-something year old GM in the biggest, most rabid hockey market in the world. Theres a lot of hype around Keefe. So maybe be he ends up better than Babcock? But I'm not sold yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 hours ago, stony said: I think there was an internal power struggle for the past year or so between Dubas and Babcock. A buddy of mine is a huge Leafs fan thought he wouldn't make it to Xmas. I imagine Shanahan thought moving forward with Dubas was more conducive to longterm success than keeping Babcock aboard. I think it might have been the media threatening the Leafs’ organization after having had to listen to ‘Mumbles’ these past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman was on WGR's Instigator Show. This is a 20 min. segment. Part of the discussion dealt with the firing of Babcock and the Toronto situation. There was another segment that dealt with potential trade scenarios for Buffalo. The point was made that making a deal is very difficult to do for Botts because he is not in a position of strength and the potential trade partners are aware of that. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-21-sportsnets-elliotte-friedman-with-the-instigators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hmm, they gotta win one their not supposed right? Little baby bet on em +230, little parley bet them and the Colts 14-1 odds. Both team have to win outright btw, combines bet about 1/3 of a unit for me, so ain’t got a lot of confidence but keeps out the OTB and losing triple that!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFan4 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) I’m actually enjoying the Boston game so far. Everyone actually looks like they give a crap tonight. Everyone giving an effort again, trying to win their puck battles and they’re back to Playing the style Ralph wants them to play. I cant take the losses where 2/3rds of the team looks like they don’t care. But if I see an honest effort and they lose because the other team’s more skilled, then fine. I an live with that and continue to root these guys on. But if/when they don’t care, why should I? Edited November 22, 2019 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) https://theathletic.com/1398426/2019/11/21/sabres-assistant-don-granato-on-near-death-experience-youve-got-about-5-minutes-and-you-will-not-be-here/?source=shared-article Sabres assistant Don Granato on near-death experience: ‘You’ve got about 5 minutes and you will not be here Quote t was a strep bacteria, not like strep throat, but streptococcus bacteria that they believed was at the heart of Granato’s illness. They ran some blood work and did advanced tests to try and determine the rate of growth of the bacteria. “But there was more going on,” Granato said. A lot more as it turned out. But at 5 a.m., the team doctor called Granato to ask if he could get back to the hospital. So at 6 a.m., Granato is back at the hospital and now is being admitted as an in-patient. Later that morning things took a dramatic turn for the worse when seemingly out of nowhere Granato began coughing up phlegm and blood. “From there it just accelerated,” Granato said. The bacteria had made its way into Granato’s bloodstream, “and the pneumonia took over my lungs and I basically had respiratory failure later that day,” the 52-year-old said. Quote They basically had to knock me out and I had no idea this was coming,” he said. “They just kind of came in the room, a whole group of them, and literally the doctor said to me, ‘listen, you’ve got about 5 minutes and you will not be here anymore. We need to do this to you right now.’ I had no time to think about it. Which is a really good thing. I’m sure they did that intentionally.” Quote The one thing that Granato insisted on and Krueger agreed was that he wouldn’t rush it and that he would only come back when he was 100 percent ready so there wouldn’t be any distractions. Doctors were aware of this and confirmed that Granato was not in any danger of relapsing and that this appeared to be a one-off, random medical issue. And so it was on Wednesday as the struggling Sabres hit the ice in advance of a trip to Boston that Granato returned to work. Wow! I figured it had to be pretty bad for him to be out this long, but I didn’t know the extent. Sounds like he came very close to dying. Glad he’s back and feeling better! Edited November 22, 2019 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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