plenzmd1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 19 hours ago, JohnC said: You are missing the point. It's not about the points. no, you are missing the point...points( winning) are the ONLY thing the NHL is about....they are not in existence to develop good christian young men that see their game grow and have a nice close team, they are in existence to WIN...and they have not done that for almost a decade now. And when i mentioned Pilut..its so good to see JBOTS sit on his arse while this is going on down in the A cause we got to many useless bodies up in the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: no, you are missing the point...points( winning) are the ONLY thing the NHL is about....they are not in existence to develop good christian young men that see their game grow and have a nice close team, they are in existence to WIN...and they have not done that for almost a decade now. And when i mentioned Pilut..its so good to see JBOTS sit on his arse while this is going on down in the A cause we got to many useless bodies up in the NHL Pilut will be called up sometime this season. He is getting extensive playing time that will make him a better player when called up. The same process applies to Tage Thompson. He will be better prepared for the NHL because of his extensive playing time in the AHL. Of course winning is the object of the game. Stop with your silliness. The issue is how do you get there? If you think that the right approach to take is by making short-term foolish deals due to frustration you are grossly wrong. There is no quick fix other than to stay the course, develop your players and make good deals when opportunities arise. You don't think that the GM's Skinner, Joki and Montour deals were good deals? What are you suggesting to do? Get rid of the GM? Trade off your assets for immediate help? Talking and fretting about weaknesses are easy to do but accomplish nothing other than ventilation. How do you know that the GM isn't already working on a number of deals that will help this team? Of course he is doing that as is every GM in the league is doing that. If you got some recommendations then make them. If not, then stop with your incessant whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you got some recommendations then make them. If not, then stop with your incessant whining. Lose a trade...need to move people and shake this thing up. Yes, sending a message that another season like last year is not accpetable needs to be sent. SEnd Risto to Winnipeg for WHATEVER they will give you..Risto is Risto..he is not worth what Bots thinks he is...so take less..take a bottom 6 guy Trade Miller if you are going to sit him...again lose the trade Move Olufson the hell of the top line. He is playing with Jack freaking Eichel and has 1..count it 1, freaking goal in 18 games 5v5..unacceptable to go 1-6-1 and have a guy playing with one of the best playmakers in league and have 1 goal. Get Pilut up here in any way, shape or form you need to get it done. I dont want to hear they have too many guys NHL ready...waive them and get nothing, addition by subtraction..Yes i am talking BOGO and Sobotka.... And i look at teams like Carolina, Vancouver , the Islanders and Arizona who were all thought to be well behind the Sabres in terms of talent and system when JBOTS took over, hell we all thought the Canadians were dead in the water with the Price contract and really goofed up in the Weber trade.. and yet all those teams seem to be well ahead of the Sabres now. Hell, you even parised the Sabres for playing a "good game" against the mighty Islanders, even though they lost ....and lo and behold we thought it a victory the other night we got a point form the mighty Hurricanes. Speaking of Carolina...how did they make out in the Skinner trade? You know who cares about that in Carolina right now? No one. They needed a change and made it, they had a GM who had some nads and some sense of urgency..not a five year plan to hopefully compete for a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: no, you are missing the point...points( winning) are the ONLY thing the NHL is about....they are not in existence to develop good christian young men that see their game grow and have a nice close team, they are in existence to WIN...and they have not done that for almost a decade now. And when i mentioned Pilut..its so good to see JBOTS sit on his arse while this is going on down in the A cause we got to many useless bodies up in the NHL ...head scratcher how we go from the penthouse to outhouse so quickly, last year and this year with current streak......why?....sure it's scoring and I'm an old fart guy spoiled by the prolific Gretzky, etc years....BUT...the Sabres had their share of snipers that found the net......how do we continue to starve?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Lose a trade...need to move people and shake this thing up. Yes, sending a message that another season like last year is not accpetable needs to be sent. SEnd Risto to Winnipeg for WHATEVER they will give you..Risto is Risto..he is not worth what Bots thinks he is...so take less..take a bottom 6 guy Trade Miller if you are going to sit him...again lose the trade Move Olufson the hell of the top line. He is playing with Jack freaking Eichel and has 1..count it 1, freaking goal in 18 games 5v5..unacceptable to go 1-6-1 and have a guy playing with one of the best playmakers in league and have 1 goal. Get Pilut up here in any way, shape or form you need to get it done. I dont want to hear they have too many guys NHL ready...waive them and get nothing, addition by subtraction..Yes i am talking BOGO and Sobotka.... And i look at teams like Carolina, Vancouver , the Islanders and Arizona who were all thought to be well behind the Sabres in terms of talent and system when JBOTS took over, hell we all thought the Canadians were dead in the water with the Price contract and really goofed up in the Weber trade.. and yet all those teams seem to be well ahead of the Sabres now. Hell, you even parised the Sabres for playing a "good game" against the mighty Islanders, even though they lost ....and lo and behold we thought it a victory the other night we got a point form the mighty Hurricanes. Speaking of Carolina...how did they make out in the Skinner trade? You know who cares about that in Carolina right now? No one. They needed a change and made it, they had a GM who had some nads and some sense of urgency..not a five year plan to hopefully compete for a playoff spot. How do you know that deals aren't being worked on now? And what do you think is the return on a Risto deal (that might happen this season)? I'm not trading Risto if the return isn't at least of an equal value. You are characterizing this team as if it is continuing to bottoming out and descending even more. I'm simply don't see it with the same dire view as you do. We are on different parallel universes and we will never meet. Your worldview is different from mine. That in itself gives me confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, JohnC said: If not, then stop with your incessant whining. Incessant whining or incessant professions of faith. Is there a reason why one is allowed and the other is not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 I could not disagree more with the idea of taking any crap offer for Ristolainen, like a bottom 6 player. Like him or not, Ristolainen is a top 4 defenseman that adds value to the Sabres lineup. There’s a reason every coach that comes in plays him in a top pairing role (it’s not because he sucks...). I’m not saying he’s perfect by any means, and I’m not against trading him for a good young top 6 player that fits the team long term. Trading him for a bottom 6 easily replaceable plug sounds just like the ROR trade all over again and that has worked out awful for the Sabres so far. That was making a change for the sake of change and it did no good at all. All it did is create a gaping hole in our top 6 that has still yet to be addressed well enough. Trades made out of desperation seem to end pretty poorly for the desperate team. I feel like Ristolainen is the last big trade chip left. So, be patient and wait for the right trade. Take advantage of a desperate GM instead of being taken advantage of. Next year change will come come no matter what. Numerous roster spots and a good chunk of cap space open up. I want the Sabres to win now, but I’d rather wait until next year for big changes than make terrible trades just for the sake of change (if those were my only 2 choices, anyway...lol). I agree with the general idea idea of a shake up though. But it has to be done right, in a calculated, thought out manner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/sabres-larsson-wont-be-able-play-saturday Asplund is playing tonight. He seems really excited. I’m happy for him and excited to see what he can do. Hopefully he can keep his nerves in check and have some type of positive impact tonight. Glad he’s getting some NHL experience either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JohnC said: We are on different parallel universes and we will never meet. Your worldview is different from mine. That in itself gives me confidence. as it does I. You get enamored with plans and guys who talk the talk, i am enamored with results and guys who walk the walk. Every GM and coach in the world would desire you as an owner, as results matter not to you. You are convinced Botts is a great GM, despite overwhelming evidence the team has gone backwards under his stewardship, and plenty oif teams that were deemed in much worse shape when he took over have cleary passed the Sabres..but he talks about plans, and building, and that has you sold..as you sold on GMTM no nonsense approach mind you 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I could not disagree more with the idea of taking any crap offer for Ristolainen, like a bottom 6 player. Like him or not, Ristolainen is a top 4 defenseman that adds value to the Sabres lineup. There’s a reason every coach that comes in plays him in a top pairing role (it’s not because he sucks...). I’m not saying he’s perfect by any means, and I’m not against trading him for a good young top 6 player that fits the team long term. Trading him for a bottom 6 easily replaceable plug sounds just like the ROR trade all over again and that has worked out awful for the Sabres so far. That was making a change for the sake of change and it did no good at all. All it did is create a gaping hole in our top 6 that has still yet to be addressed well enough. Trades made out of desperation seem to end pretty poorly for the desperate team. I feel like Ristolainen is the last big trade chip left. So, be patient and wait for the right trade. Take advantage of a desperate GM instead of being taken advantage of. Next year change will come come no matter what. Numerous roster spots and a good chunk of cap space open up. I want the Sabres to win now, but I’d rather wait until next year for big changes than make terrible trades just for the sake of change (if those were my only 2 choices, anyway...lol). I agree with the general idea idea of a shake up though. But it has to be done right, in a calculated, thought out manner. Lots of areas we disagree here. I don't think Risto is a top 4 based on his play, i think he is a Top 4 based on reputation. No one is trading a good young top 6 player for him, if they were it would have already been done. You trade Sammy for him for instance? no way. So why would someone else trade a player of Sammy's abilities for a turnover machine? I think JBots and Buffalo fans have to just look at how Risto plays, and ask themselves are they better without him in the lineup? Would they be better with a puck moving D man who dictates possession and drives positive numbers for expected GF and has positive numbers for dangerous shots for vs agaisnt as Pilut did last year? Easy answer to me, but Bots is too worried about the return..he too is enamored with the occasional great play vs the night in night out numbers. And who really cares a whole bunch bout caproom in the NHL? I guess maybe Tavares has made an impact in the last couple of years, but we all know ya cant build off old dudes on inflated contracts..just doesn't work out very often in the NHL. Add in the fact JBotts fumbled the Sammy deal, has Dahlin and Mittlestat( dont even get me started on burning his first year under JBots) coming up.... I am rooting hard for them, always will. But they dont get at a minimum 4 pts these next 3 games and a blow up needs to happen...he cannot go another year of just sitting on his hands and doing nothing Edited November 16, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Krueger should just tell Eichel to do that every night. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I don’t think the Senators are as bad as they were supposed to be. The Eichsnipe was en fuego tonight. And Asplund looked like he belonged all evening. Dahlin benched for most of the third after Ennis’s goal. Hmm. The lack of secondary scoring continues to be an issue. At least the Blackhawks have to travel tonight as well after their game in Nashville. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Easy answer to me, but Bots is too worried about the return..he too is enamored with the occasional great play vs the night in night out numbers. If the GM isn't worried about the return in a Risto trade or any trade then he should be fired for malfeasance. As BillsFan4 stated Risto is without a doubt a top four defenseman. In addition, he is a rugged physical player on a team that mostly has puck moving defensemen. He adds a trait on a unit that doesn't possess much of it. Although you might not see it there is a reason why Krueger puts Risto on the ice more than any player on the team. By the way I never said that Botts was a great GM. That is one of your typical fabrications and exaggerations. I do believe that he is a good GM. I consider Yzerman to be an exceptional GM as reflected in his work in building Cup teams in Detroit and Tampa. Now he is back with Detroit. In time he will have that franchise back to being a top tier team. I don't consider Botts in that lofty category. Edited November 17, 2019 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, K-9 said: I don’t think the Senators are as bad as they were supposed to be. The Eichsnipe was en fuego tonight. And Asplund looked like he belonged all evening. Dahlin benched for most of the third after Ennis’s goal. Hmm. The lack of secondary scoring continues to be an issue. At least the Blackhawks have to travel tonight as well after their game in Nashville. It seems that the coach got his message across to shoot the freaking puck instead of trying to make the perfect pass. Jack was certainly the first star, and I thought that Ullmark made some terrific stops to keep us in the game. He made some nice anticipation stops in this game. I'm not giving up on Mittelstadt but he has been a big disappointment. Right now he's invisible with no impact out there. He's not hurting us but he is not helping us either. I agree with you that the Senators are much more competitive team than originally thought of. They played a basic game and played hard throughout the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Couple of notes Man, i am not sure what they are doing to Dahlin's head, but they are messing with it pretty good. The one play where he fanned twice on attempted passes was hard to watch. I know a long way off, but I listened to Rick Ankiel on PMT the other day, literally one bad pitch, followed with two that he felt his regular catcher could get..and he was done as a pitcher, the yips were permanent. Brain is a funny thing, and man they are messing with that young mans psyche pretty hard now. I hope Okposo is okay, this is scary considering his past Okay boys, lets act like butter and get on a roll tonight! Both teams had to travel last night, Lehner had a good game from all accounts last night, curious if they play him in back to back situation considering his history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Tage called up, here is hoping Kyle is okay. I feel really bad for him. Certainly no intent and just an unfortunate hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Tage called up, here is hoping Kyle is okay. I feel really bad for him. Certainly no intent and just an unfortunate hit. That was hardly a hit, eh? Have to be worried for the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: That was hardly a hit, eh? Have to be worried for the kid. Think the shoulder hits him in the head... agree not meant to be a hit, just an unfortunate accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: Couple of notes Man, i am not sure what they are doing to Dahlin's head, but they are messing with it pretty good. The one play where he fanned twice on attempted passes was hard to watch. I know a long way off, but I listened to Rick Ankiel on PMT the other day, literally one bad pitch, followed with two that he felt his regular catcher could get..and he was done as a pitcher, the yips were permanent. Brain is a funny thing, and man they are messing with that young mans psyche pretty hard now. I hope Okposo is okay, this is scary considering his past Okay boys, lets act like butter and get on a roll tonight! Both teams had to travel last night, Lehner had a good game from all accounts last night, curious if they play him in back to back situation considering his history. One player I am not worrying about is Dahlin. Teams have learned not to give this scintillating talent room. As soon as he gets the puck they press him so he will give up the puck. It's evident that he is struggling but that shouldn't be a surprise for a young player. In the defensive zone he isn't always well positioned, and because he isn't fully matured physically he has trouble holding his space. So it shouldn't be surprising that at the end of the game when the opposition is making that this smart coach has him on the bench. The pairing that is more relied up at the end of the game are Risto/McCabe. They simply are the most physical and stronger pair for these end of the game situations. I, like you, worry about Okposo's hits. The accumulation of hits may be coming into play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 hours ago, K-9 said: Dahlin benched for most of the third after Ennis’s goal. Hmm. I thought it was mostly due to his weak effort at the puck in the corner which led to a scoring chance. Agree with all on Okposo. If that’s the hit that put him out, then he should seriously consider hanging them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) The attached link are the post game comments of Krueger on WGR. He made some interesting comments about Asplund. He also explained his reasoning regarding Dahlin's playing time. This a 3 minute segment. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-16-ralph-krueger-post-game This is a five minute link of Jack's post game comments. He made comments about Dahlin and Asplund. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-16-jack-eichel-post-game Edited November 17, 2019 by JohnC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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