Deranged Rhino Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Another full day for No Chance Joe... 9am lid. 1
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 3:23 PM, Deranged Rhino said: The Dungeon has long carried with it a comedically poor reputation among the other boards on TBD. Compared to the rest of the site, it's the Wild West, with a long standing tradition of self-modding and handling any disputes/spats in-house rather than letting it bleed over and contaminate the rest of the boards. This is because PPP was largely populated by adults, capable of having a conversation with someone else who did not share every single opinion they did. But as the political discourse in the country has become more divisive and explosive over the past 15+ years -- ramping up to new levels over the past 4 -- PPP has become even more of a tinderbox and now we find ourselves at a crossroad... Over the past several months the board has been flooded by new (old) voices and accounts whose strategy is to throw bombs, provoke a response, then run to a mod off the board and complain about "how nasty those PPPers are!" This has forced the mods to pay more attention than they would like to the Dungeon, and created unnecessary bleed-through of political topics onto TSW and other parts of TBD. This seems to be a deliberate strategy on the part of a few posters. Their goal is to destroy PPP. They do not like what is discussed here, thus they wish to shut it down entirely -- and to get that job done, they are purposefully throwing bombs then running to mods. We know the names. But it's important to understand the tactic being used against this board in order to combat it. Coddling or egging on the sock puppets, as we've done in the past, or mocking them into extinction, as we've done in the past, won't work this time because their goal has changed. Their goal is to provoke that exact kind of reaction to use it against us to get the place shuttered completely. Personally, I've found PPP to be a wonderful addition to the TSW site overall. Despite my initial misgivings when I first ventured down here, I've seen that when PPP is working properly -- which is does more often than not -- it represents a place where people can exchange ideas and discuss controversial topics without dirtying up the rest of the site. There have been countless times where opposing views have been presented by knowledgeable posters and created threads/discussions where both sides not only made great points but helped share new information and opened up the minds of "the other side". Yes, tensions sometimes get high and people get snippy -- but prior to the "cry for mommy" tactic, those could be sorted out quickly and painlessly either through self-policing or (good natured) group mocking/shaming. But that tradition has been made more difficult than ever by a group of people looking to sow division and hostility just so they can use it to run to a mod. So how do we fix it? It starts by stepping back and remembering the purpose of PPP: The purpose of PPP is, above all else, to keep anything political away from the primary boards. The primary job of PPP is to stay in the dungeon and keep the mudslinging confined within rather than polluting the rest of the board where most people are looking for an escape from just these sorts of divisive debates and bomb throwing. The discussion of these types of politically charged topics can/will lead to a debate, even confrontations from time to time, but they should be handled in house -- not the shoutbox, not TSW, not OTW, and not by running to mods who try like hell to stay out of the dungeon in the first place. Not to protect PPP, but to protect TSW and what Scott's built for us over the years. The best way to do this is to adapt some sort of new Rules of Engagement designed to make the mods' lives easier, and to keep the dungeon open and functioning. Things are going to get more heated as we get closer (and past) the election in November. The attempts to get PPP closed down will also increase. So consider these ROEs as a way to thread the needle of keeping this sort of board functioning despite the vitriol and sabotage: 1) Follow the ToS: This has always been a rule in PPP. Even though we've been given more slack in terms of how we communicate with one another or about one another, the general TOS have always applied. The infestation of posters trying to destroy PPP do not abide by this ROE, they flaunt it in the hopes of getting regular posters to take the bait then run to a mod. The way to combat this is not to engage at all with these types (we all know who they are). Yes, in the past it's been fun to quote or engage with the sock puppets and beat them around a bit. But now that's what they're hoping we do in order to provoke outrage from the mods. The only solution to this is not to engage at all with those sorts of posters or any threads they start (and remember, starting multiple threads on the same topic, or crusading, are violations of the TOS -- let them do it to get themselves in trouble, but don't engage). 2) Show your work: PPP is about expressing your own personal political opinions and thoughts, regardless of your partisanship. That should be fostered and protected and the way to do that is to follow this simple rule: Present any argument/opinion you wish -- but be willing and prepared to show your work, back up your opinions and analysis by engaging in an actual discussion of the topic. That means sticking around to have an adult conversation, not just throwing bombs or insults then fleeing the scene. If someone is unwilling to engage or back up their work, they should be treated in accordance to the 1st ROE and ignored. Call it a good old fashioned shame shunning. That's it. Two very simple, very clear rules. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a step in the right direction. I personally think adding a new PPP mod might help as well, someone who knows the lay of the land and respects the traditions down here -- but can step in quicker than calling for the main mods when things get testy. ... Feel free to add any thoughts, ROEs or ideas to this thread. On 9/7/2020 at 11:23 AM, B-Man said: On 9/7/2020 at 11:46 AM, B-Man said: 52 minutes ago, B-Man said: 42 minutes ago, B-Man said: 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Follow the rules set by your lord DR
Deranged Rhino Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 No Chance Joe has no policies of his own which are winners, so he steals Trump's 2 2
Hedge Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 2 Hours ago: 2 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: I guess it depends on your relationship with the guy. I beg to differ. Go Bills - this board has lost it's luster. I'll be back when Biden wins. Until then, sayonara all. Less than 2 hours ago: 24 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Follow the rules set by your lord DR 1
Deranged Rhino Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 It's funny. He said he was leaving but he's still here. Funny that liars just can't stop lying. 2 1
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Rule #2 and show your work. When did Biden commit to defunding the police?
Deranged Rhino Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/joe-bidens-doubletalk-on-defund-the-police/ Later, though, asked if money should be “redirected” away from cops, he replied, “Yes, absolutely.” Oops.
WEATHER DOT COM Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/joe-bidens-doubletalk-on-defund-the-police/ Later, though, asked if money should be “redirected” away from cops, he replied, “Yes, absolutely.” Oops. So it's a Charlottesville "both sides" style gaffe?
US Egg Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/joe-bidens-doubletalk-on-defund-the-police/ 1 1
Q-baby! Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 It’s funny when Trump supporters make fun of anyone! 😂😂😂
IDBillzFan Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: So it's a Charlottesville "both sides" style gaffe? It was no gaffe. Here is the interview. See at about the 2:27 mark. Interviewer: "Do we agree we can redirect some of the funding (for police)?" Biden: "Yes. Absolutely." No gaffe. It's Biden saying he wants to defund the police. But to add to the embarrassment, he comes out today and suggests Trump is the one wanting to defund the police? The dude that has grabbed every major police endorsement in the country? Biden has lost his senses. More proof? He spent years telling everyone he wants to ban fracking. Countless video is available. Now that he realizes it's another losing idea, not only does he change his position, but he's actually telling people he NEVER wanted to ban fracking? Dude's mind is tapioca, brother. 5
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: It was no gaffe. Here is the interview. See at about the 2:27 mark. Interviewer: "Do we agree we can redirect some of the funding (for police)?" Biden: "Yes. Absolutely." No gaffe. It's Biden saying he wants to defund the police. But to add to the embarrassment, he comes out today and suggests Trump is the one wanting to defund the police? The dude that has grabbed every major police endorsement in the country? Biden has lost his senses. More proof? He spent years telling everyone he wants to ban fracking. Countless video is available. Now that he realizes it's another losing idea, not only does he change his position, but he's actually telling people he NEVER wanted to ban fracking? Dude's mind is tapioca, brother. ...propping him up as the face of a coalition governing party is a woeful embarrassment to the Dems but also to Biden personally, which doesn't seem to matter to either......it reminds me of the GOP "offering up Bob Dole".... a war hero and MUCH sharper, but still, he was another political lifer.......same goes for McCain.....happens on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.....SMH.... 2
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