Doc Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: There is nothing to question. You surely realize that a victim of sexual assault is traumatized multiple times, and that inconsistencies are sure to arise. It’s a hallmark of abusers and their enablers to become hyper-fixated on small inconsistencies while claiming that the predator is the real victim. Interesting phrasing here: I'll say it again, if Biden did this, it’s despicable. “It’s” despicable? Not “he’s” despicable? It’s fascinating the lengths people will go to to rationalize their own thought process, even as their subconscious is screaming at them that there’s a disconnect with their value system. Good stuff. Question....what were your thoughts on the treatment of Brett Kavanaugh by people like the Vox author, Gilibrand, Pelosi and Biden? Did you agree with them then? Or, now? Hell it's all they talked about when Blasey-Ford couldn't remember even a single fact about the alleged incident. Again, more hypocrisy. 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Thread on Biden’s long history of groping children and women in public. I scrolled and scrolled and it did not seem to stop. 2 1
transplantbillsfan Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: There is nothing to question. You surely realize that a victim of sexual assault is traumatized multiple times, and that inconsistencies are sure to arise. It’s a hallmark of abusers and their enablers to become hyper-fixated on small inconsistencies while claiming that the predator is the real victim. Interesting phrasing here: I'll say it again, if Biden did this, it’s despicable. “It’s” despicable? Not “he’s” despicable? It’s fascinating the lengths people will go to to rationalize their own thought process, even as their subconscious is screaming at them that there’s a disconnect with their value system. Good stuff. Question....what were your thoughts on the treatment of Brett Kavanaugh by people like the Vox author, Gilibrand, Pelosi and Biden? Did you agree with them then? Or, now? God dude you're just out for fights. When you say "there's nothing to question," are you saying that he undeniably did it? That seems to be your implication, which would be ridiculous and I don't think you're THAT ridiculous... so I just hope you can clarify that.
Westside Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: God dude you're just out for fights. When you say "there's nothing to question," are you saying that he undeniably did it? That seems to be your implication, which would be ridiculous and I don't think you're THAT ridiculous... so I just hope you can clarify that. I wish you would clarify your hypocrisy. Do we believe all women or just democrat women?
billsfan1959 Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: God dude you're just out for fights. When you say "there's nothing to question," are you saying that he undeniably did it? That seems to be your implication, which would be ridiculous and I don't think you're THAT ridiculous... so I just hope you can clarify that. That seemed to be the stance of you and your crowd with Kavanaugh, based on even less.... 1
Doc Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, westside2 said: I wish you would clarify your hypocrisy. Do we believe all women or just democrat women? 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: That seemed to be the stance of you and your crowd with Kavanaugh, based on even less.... They never seem to want to answer these questions. 2 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: God dude you're just out for fights. When you say "there's nothing to question," are you saying that he undeniably did it? That seems to be your implication, which would be ridiculous and I don't think you're THAT ridiculous... so I just hope you can clarify that. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, in was looking for dialogue with someone who holds a different opinion than I do. What I think about the Biden accusations is really irrelevant, mostly because I'm not a Biden supporter. Since you asked, I'm 60-40 that it played out as she has alleged, maybe 70-30. I'm a skeptic by nature. I personally know of young men wrongfully accused, I'm aware of issues associated with Titke IX that I can't get my head wrapped around, and I balance that with the belief that most women who levels accusations are being truthful. When you add money and political wrangling to the mix who the heck knows. Your pattern, if I may, seems to be you send an article or a clip over for consideration that supports your view and decline to engage further on the topic. You sent over the Vox opinion piece to me, as if it shed knew and important information on the case. That's fine, I read it, checked out the author and in 30 seconds found a piece that was excoriated a man with 30+ years of dedicated public service, a reputation as an honest jurist and a decent family man....and that author's treatment was completely different for that individual. In my mind, that fact alone reveals her to be a partisan, and I discard her opinions totally. Here's the interesting part. I asked you what you thought about that, what your thoughts were about the Kavanaugh debacke, and you took a pass. To me, that means you didn't care, you find it acceptable to have different standards for different political idealogies, or you missed the question. I inquired again, still no reply. Now, you've defended Biden by suggesting TR has no credibility and suggest I'm argumentative when you fail to even identify Biden directly as despicable if he assaulted a woman? Why send me the Vox piece if you're not interested in discussing its merits? Biden/Reade aside, the many videos shared of Biden establish his quirks. I'm going to go out on a limb and say by age 13, most boys know where his hands can go and where they cannot when interacting with a girl. Generally, it's nowhere without her consent. Not her hair, not her shoulders, and certainly not anywhere that a bathing suit would generally cover. Giving Biden the benefit of the doubt because he's 114 years old, times were different and maybe he thought clamping a lady's shoulder with his clammy meat hooks was acceptable through 1980. Hips, hair and some of the extremely troubling videos of his hands wandering to the chest areas of little girls was never ok, even if you were a soldier in the days of the dog faced pony soldier. Thinking about it more, I'm 85-15 he did it. Regardless, Joe Biden and your leadership team established two seperate standards. One is "eliminate all conservatives", the other employed for you and yours is "eliminate the accuser". What are your thoughts on Biden's treatment by Vox, and by women in power in the Dem ranks, v those same people with respect to Kavanaugh? If they are the same, great, then we know what you think. If different, why, and why you would personally accept that? 1 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: That seemed to be the stance of you and your crowd with Kavanaugh, based on even less.... ...quite the posting gem......his BBMB days were legendary....SMH...... 1
Koko78 Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 5 hours ago, westside2 said: I wish you would clarify your hypocrisy. Do we believe all women or just democrat women? The correct answer is that we believe all women who accuse Republicans. 3
transplantbillsfan Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 7 hours ago, westside2 said: I wish you would clarify your hypocrisy. Do we believe all women or just democrat women? Where am I being hypocritical with this? What in my posting history suggests I've been some hardcore #metoo activist? Please direct me to whichever post you're referring to. 7 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: That seemed to be the stance of you and your crowd with Kavanaugh, based on even less.... Please direct me to the spot where I said Kavanaugh undeniably did it, otherwise, shut the hell up.
billsfan1959 Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Please direct me to the spot where I said Kavanaugh undeniably did it, otherwise, shut the hell up. Oh stop being so emotional. Why don't you just tell us where you stood on Kavanaugh. 1) Did you find Ford's allegations credible? 2) If so, why? Simple enough 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nanker said: New campaign spot for Slowhand Joe: Don't mess with this song or movie ? 1
transplantbillsfan Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Oh stop being so emotional. Why don't you just tell us where you stood on Kavanaugh. 1) Did you find Ford's allegations credible? 2) If so, why? Simple enough What does one allegation have to do with the other? You guys over here are desperately trying to conflate the 2 just so you can ignore the serious holes that exist in Reade's story and personal history. It's predictable and also pathetic. Try to do some independent thinking. 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: What does one allegation have to do with the other? You guys over here are desperately trying to conflate the 2 just so you can ignore the serious holes that exist in Reade's story and personal history. It's predictable and also pathetic. Try to do some independent thinking. Again, stop being so emotional. It has nothing to do with conflating anything. It is a straightforward question about a singular topic: Where did you stand on Kavanaugh. 1) Did you find Ford's allegations credible? 2) If so, why? It really should be easy to answer. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What does one allegation have to do with the other? You guys over here are desperately trying to conflate the 2 just so you can ignore the serious holes that exist in Reade's story and personal history. It's predictable and also pathetic. Try to do some independent thinking. You cannot possibly have your head that far up your ass to be asking this as anything more than trolling. But, on the very slim chance you are not trolling or being disingenuous... How about the difference in reporting? The double standard? The absolute stupidity of combing through Kavanaugh's high school yearbook as "admissible" but Biden's Senate records are "off limits." The last is especially ridiculous as this allegation supposedly occurred while Joe Biden was a sitting Senator!! The history of one (never a peep of any type of improper conduct) versus the other that has a nickname of Creepy Joe to go with his long history of unwanted touching. How about #MeToo being a movement to prevent a Republican from assuming a Supreme Court seat, but "she's a slut" and "she's crazy" as the movement to dismiss allegations against a Democrat so he can run for President? Edited May 17, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 6 1
billsfan1959 Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You cannot possibly have your head that far up your ass to be asking this as anything more than trolling. But, on the very slim chance you are not trolling or being disingenuous... How about the difference in reporting? The double standard? The absolute stupidity of combing through Kavanaugh's high school yearbook as "admissible" but Biden's Senate records are "off limits." The last is especially ridiculous as this allegation supposedly occurred while Joe Biden was a sitting Senator!! The history of one (never a peep of any type of improper conduct) versus the other that has a nickname of Creepy Joe to go with his long history of unwanted touching. How about #MeToo being a movement to prevent a Republican from assuming a Supreme Court seat, but "she's a slut" and "she's crazy" as the movement to dismiss allegations against a Democrat so he can run for President? While it should be anatomically impossible, my money is on his head being that far up his ass... 4
transplantbillsfan Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, in was looking for dialogue with someone who holds a different opinion than I do. What I think about the Biden accusations is really irrelevant, mostly because I'm not a Biden supporter. Since you asked, I'm 60-40 that it played out as she has alleged, maybe 70-30. I'm a skeptic by nature. I personally know of young men wrongfully accused, I'm aware of issues associated with Titke IX that I can't get my head wrapped around, and I balance that with the belief that most women who levels accusations are being truthful. When you add money and political wrangling to the mix who the heck knows. Your pattern, if I may, seems to be you send an article or a clip over for consideration that supports your view and decline to engage further on the topic. You sent over the Vox opinion piece to me, as if it shed knew and important information on the case. That's fine, I read it, checked out the author and in 30 seconds found a piece that was excoriated a man with 30+ years of dedicated public service, a reputation as an honest jurist and a decent family man....and that author's treatment was completely different for that individual. In my mind, that fact alone reveals her to be a partisan, and I discard her opinions totally. Here's the interesting part. I asked you what you thought about that, what your thoughts were about the Kavanaugh debacke, and you took a pass. To me, that means you didn't care, you find it acceptable to have different standards for different political idealogies, or you missed the question. I inquired again, still no reply. Now, you've defended Biden by suggesting TR has no credibility and suggest I'm argumentative when you fail to even identify Biden directly as despicable if he assaulted a woman? Why send me the Vox piece if you're not interested in discussing its merits? Biden/Reade aside, the many videos shared of Biden establish his quirks. I'm going to go out on a limb and say by age 13, most boys know where his hands can go and where they cannot when interacting with a girl. Generally, it's nowhere without her consent. Not her hair, not her shoulders, and certainly not anywhere that a bathing suit would generally cover. Giving Biden the benefit of the doubt because he's 114 years old, times were different and maybe he thought clamping a lady's shoulder with his clammy meat hooks was acceptable through 1980. Hips, hair and some of the extremely troubling videos of his hands wandering to the chest areas of little girls was never ok, even if you were a soldier in the days of the dog faced pony soldier. Thinking about it more, I'm 85-15 he did it. Regardless, Joe Biden and your leadership team established two seperate standards. One is "eliminate all conservatives", the other employed for you and yours is "eliminate the accuser". What are your thoughts on Biden's treatment by Vox, and by women in power in the Dem ranks, v those same people with respect to Kavanaugh? If they are the same, great, then we know what you think. If different, why, and why you would personally accept that? It's interesting to you merely because you believe, weirdly, that every sexual assault allegation is the same and should be given the same amount of credibility. I don't find conflating separate sexual misconduct/abuse allegations into one lump conclusion useful. The Kavenaugh situation is completely irrelevant to the Biden situation because they are separate allegations by different women of different men. All you guys desperately want to do is distract from the multiple issues with the Biden accusation by pointing to the unjustifiably accused Kavenaugh, and that's wildly problematic. You read the Vox article. I'm glad some of you actually read things that are posted. It's not purely an opinion piece though. I don't particularly care about the opinions of the writer. I was looking at the inconsistencies of events and stories within the piece itself. Her opinions are pretty irrelevant. But that wasn't the only article I posted. That you are 85% sure Biden did it just tells me more about your own tribalism than it does anything else. That you are that confident that Biden committed that heinous act after truly examining the situation objectively just demonstrates your own partisanship and hypocrisy, especially considering you've recently told me that you concluded that Donald Trump is completely innocent of all the 2+ dozen sexual assault/misconduct allegations that have been leveled against him. But I can't say I'm surprised. It's what seems to consistently happen over here with you guys and why I generally steer clear of this toxic environment.
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