Zay Jones looks ripped

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

 

Apples and pears.    Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89).   It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago.   

Eric Moulds

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1996	23	BUF	KR/wr	80	16	5	37	20	279	14.0	2	47	1.3	17.4	54.1%	7.5	12	44	0	11	3.7	2.8	0.8	32	10.1	323	2	1	3
1997	24	BUF	KR/WR	80	16	8	52	29	294	10.1	0	32	1.8	18.4	55.8%	5.7	4	59	0	29	14.8	3.7	0.3	33	10.7	353	0	3	2

 

Zay Jones

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2017	22	BUF	WR	11	15	10	74	27	316	11.7	2	33	1.8	21.1	36.5%	4.3								27	11.7	316	2	0	3
2018	23	BUF	WR	11	16	15	102	56	652	11.6	7	57	3.5	40.8	54.9%	6.4	1	0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0.1	57	11.4	652	7	1	5

Would the apples to apples comparison be yards per target?  These numbers actually made me hopeful for the kid. He’s likely gonna stay his rookie contract. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Zay was one of the most sure handed college WRs coming out. Needless to say, he was NOT that in the NFL for his 1st year.

 

Personally, I would ideally like to see Zay keep Beasley off the field as our 4th WR and have Brown and Foster as our #1 and #2 (In whichever order) and Jones in the slot.

 

Beane has a lot of confidence in him... that much is undeniable.

Edited May 7, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Chill said:

Did he drop the medicine ball? Hands of stone needs a haircut. 

 

He should concentrate working his legs. 

 

hes probably working every thing , that's just one pic.

 

 

[billsgpr88]

I understand the bad taste his rookie year left in the mouths of fans, but he caught more than half of Josh Allen's touchdown passes last year. I think he cannot be accurately assessed until we see this offense form an identity and demonstrate some consistency as a whole. Im hopeful 

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Any more pictures of his buttocks Yolo? A bit too much man boob going on for my tastes in that pic. I am moving him down my list of hottest Bills players. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

...LOL....he's been pretty "ripped" here too..............

[MacGyver]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

while Zay was catching passes from Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman, doesn't factor into the TBD assessment.

 

The drops tho...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Hey!  HOY-cue-lees!

*

Are you talking ‘Penn and Teller’ type levitation or ‘Jesus Christ - Son of God - divine intervention’ levitation?

U being serious?

11 hours ago, njbuff said:

Oh wow, another Zay Jones thiread.

 

Where??   

8 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Apples and pears.    Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89).   It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago.   

Eric Moulds

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1996	23	BUF	KR/wr	80	16	5	37	20	279	14.0	2	47	1.3	17.4	54.1%	7.5	12	44	0	11	3.7	2.8	0.8	32	10.1	323	2	1	3
1997	24	BUF	KR/WR	80	16	8	52	29	294	10.1	0	32	1.8	18.4	55.8%	5.7	4	59	0	29	14.8	3.7	0.3	33	10.7	353	0	3	2

 

Zay Jones

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2017	22	BUF	WR	11	15	10	74	27	316	11.7	2	33	1.8	21.1	36.5%	4.3								27	11.7	316	2	0	3
2018	23	BUF	WR	11	16	15	102	56	652	11.6	7	57	3.5	40.8	54.9%	6.4	1	0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0.1	57	11.4	652	7	1	5

 

HOW DARE YOU USE FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS ARGUMENT!!!!!!! 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Would the apples to apples comparison be yards per target?  These numbers actually made me hopeful for the kid. He’s likely gonna stay his rookie contract. 

 

We could.  Season two ZJ was better Y/Tgt than EM.   The QB's YPP should be factored into it too .  

 

But then ...

When the argument is that Zay sucks because of his Catch %  (and Drop rate),  then you should look at the Catch % for comparison. 

 

You know what else you look at ???   TD's.   ZJ  9 to EM 2  

[badassgixxer05]

I've said it before, his year 1 was soooo terrible that people really want to ignore his decent year 2. Good to see the kid is putting in work. Hope he really breaks through this year and makes a lot of us eat some crow..

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Apples and pears.    Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89).   It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago.   

Eric Moulds

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1996	23	BUF	KR/wr	80	16	5	37	20	279	14.0	2	47	1.3	17.4	54.1%	7.5	12	44	0	11	3.7	2.8	0.8	32	10.1	323	2	1	3
1997	24	BUF	KR/WR	80	16	8	52	29	294	10.1	0	32	1.8	18.4	55.8%	5.7	4	59	0	29	14.8	3.7	0.3	33	10.7	353	0	3	2

 

Zay Jones

					Games		Receiving										Rushing							Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2017	22	BUF	WR	11	15	10	74	27	316	11.7	2	33	1.8	21.1	36.5%	4.3								27	11.7	316	2	0	3
2018	23	BUF	WR	11	16	15	102	56	652	11.6	7	57	3.5	40.8	54.9%	6.4	1	0	0	0	0.0	0.0	0.1	57	11.4	652	7	1	5

 

Apples and pears are extremely similar unless you’re talking body shape

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

But then ...

When the argument is that Zay sucks because of his Catch %  (and Drop rate),  then you should look at the Catch % for comparison. 

 

And over their first two years Moulds caught 55% of his balls and Zay caught 47%. Zay has to catch the ball more. Simple really.

[GG]

Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one:

 

Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%.   These games accounted for 43% of his total targets.     

 

The guy is invisible when it matters.

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And over their first two years Moulds caught 55% of his balls and Zay caught 47%. Zay has to catch the ball more. Simple really.

 

I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one:

 

Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%.   These games accounted for 43% of his total targets.     

 

The guy is invisible when it matters.

 

I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years.

 

Excellent research GG.

 

As for Moulds tbh I never saw his first two years. Before my time as an NFL watcher and Bills fan so I confess I am only going on the bare numbers.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We had 4 WR’s on the field a lot towards the end of the season. Zay, Foster, Beasley and Brown are going to be playing a lot.

[GG]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Excellent research GG.

 

As for Moulds tbh I never saw his first two years. Before my time as an NFL watcher and Bills fan so I confess I am only going on the bare numbers.

 

Glad you acknowledged that.

 

Most people forget that the main reason that Moulds didn't get production early on is that he was in Levy's dog house.  Whenever he got the chance, he produced and that always prompted questions about why he wasn't on the field more often?     It's the exact opposite situation of Zay, who's always on the field but doesn't produce.

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, GG said:

Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one:

 

Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%.   These games accounted for 43% of his total targets.     

 

The guy is invisible when it matters.

 

I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years.

 

Amazingly, a good chunk of the plays he made his senior year at ECU were in blowout games either way. Most of the close games he disappeared, (an outlier is his 22 catch game in a 20-15 loss to South Carolina). But it appears his entire career was made on padding stats in a gimmicky offense at meaningless times. It is apparent when you watch his highlight films and take a peek at the score. Not saying he is done, but his production is a bit of a mirage. 

[Chuck Wagon]

Better offseason than last year.

[buffaloboyinATL]

LOL. I love that he used the tag processing, as in, going through "the process".  Good for him, hope he has a huge year for the Bills!

[JohnC]

12 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Zay had something more than the usual transition going on. It seems he was held back by some stuff going on between his ears. We will probably never know what that’s about, which is probably as it should be. IF he has that worked out, I think he can be a very solid contributor, here or somewhere else. 

I like you hope that whatever internal issues he had plaguing him is now resolved. Getting that more serious personal issue resolved is more important than his performance on the field. You see players such as Incognito have episodes of trouble and forget that how those types of issues impact him on the field is less important than how it affects his life.