Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You disagree, fine. But don't pretend you have more knowledge than they do over the process. I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man.
BillsFan4 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Quote Keeps still image/screen shot of magnetic board. Helps for next year. Self-scouting. Tuesday they put up the magnetic board. Good reference point and try to learn for history. Miss on someone? Trends? Look back and Learn why guys make it. Exercise pre-draft - Ask scouts why each guy will fail. May slide to second for certain reasons. 5th / 6th ask scouts why will the guy make it? Height/weight/skill - why will succeed? Small school/injuries/transfer? Eifert an example of a guy who was a good pick at the time , but things happen, couldn’t have predicted. Love that they self scout and try to improve their process every year. 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. He didn’t say anything about them trading up for ford. Just that they were both trying to trade up at the same time. 1
oldmanfan Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man. Can I ask what you are claiming then? They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them. They signed three in free agency. So you can't say they didn't address the position. Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position.
TroutDog Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus? And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him. Wood? I believe your examples are correct. I attribute this to the turnover of the management and coaching staffs. Hopefully that is a thing of the past. It certainly feels as though it is.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Can I ask what you are claiming then? They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them. They signed three in free agency. So you can't say they didn't address the position. Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position. I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE. Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus? And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him. Wood? McKelvin?
cage Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: He did in free agency. You don't just dial up #1 WRs in the mid rounds of the draft. DK was the darling of many around here and he lasted until (edit) the end of the 2nd round*. Ever think the GMs around the league know more than you? Truth is even the league's worst GMs know more than just about everyone on this board. *-I originally said 3rd round-proof that the GMs know more than me too. Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there. Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year? Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year: Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3), Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3), Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5) While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft. Its actually not even close Edited April 29, 2019 by cage
BillsFan17 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 42 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You realize that means nothing, right? How many GMs passed on Mahomes? Brady? Rodgers? Antonio Brown? I could go on. So, if we get to cherry pick the successful ones, can we point out the amount that were passed on and never panned out? 1
oldmanfan Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE. Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man. ODB is a complete head case. And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick. Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things? Not me.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: ODB is a complete head case. And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick. Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things? Not me. The cost for ODB (a proven weapon) was one first rounder and a third rounder. So it would have cost the Bills Ed Oliver and Singletary. I'd take that deal 100/100 times.
BillsFan17 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, cage said: Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there. Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year? Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year: Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3), Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3), Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5) While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft. Its actually not even close Ju-ju and Thomas were second rounders, get it right!!! Lol, all kidding aside, this is a very good post. That being said, its important to also point out who the QBs were for those WRs you listed. Edited April 29, 2019 by BillsFan17
Nihilarian Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 All I know is this GM, HC really seem like they know what they are doing vs the GMs, HCs of the past two decades. I can recall reading in post after post about how good Buddy Nix's, Doug Whaley's drafts were so great and how the teams resulting from those drafts had so much more talent then in the past. Now looking back, NO! I don't get the need for that so called #1 WR. Considering... The Bills signed WR John Brown with 4.34 speed at 9 mill per who will compliment Robert Foster for the deep passes...in a 3 year deal. Just hazarding a guess here, but I tend to think that this signing alone is a big upgrade to the Bills WR corps. Then this GM signed WR Cole Beasley away from the Cowboys to fill the slot position like a Wes Welker, Julian Edleman filled for the Patriots. Beasley caught 74.7% of his passes last year which would put him in the LeSean McCoy percentile of receptions, only in the slot and not in the flat or backfield. 14 mill guaranteed tells me this FO wants to give this play a chance to shine in Buffalo's offense. The Bills also signed CFL receiver Duke Johnson, In two CFL seasons with the Edmonton Eskimos, the 25-year-old Williams has 2,294 yards on 135 catches with 15 touchdowns in 31 games. Last season, he led the league with 1,579 receiving yards and tied for the CFL lead in receiving touchdowns with 11. He also had 88 receptions, including 11 for more than 30 yards, on 152 targets. Undrafted signings, Nick Easley, WR Iowa, David Sills,WR WV. After these signings I really don't see the need to draft a so called top WR in the 2019 Draft. Looking at how the NFL combine made DK Metcalf look so great and the guy scored in the bottom 3% of the past 25 years of 3 cone drill... and he is still looking for that last cone. I can't wait to see what this new WR group can do! 1
Lurker Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, cage said: Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there. Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year? Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year: Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3), Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3), Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5) While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft. Its actually not even close That's great--until you think about all the mid-round WRs drafted every year that don't pan out. A whole lot more of the later than the former. A whole lot. People who only cite the hits and not the misses are what keep casino's going...
cage Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: That's great--until you think about all the mid-round WRs drafted every year that don't pan out. A whole lot more of the later than the former. A whole lot. People who only cite the hits and not the misses are what keep casino's going... Sure the hit rate goes down by the round, I'm not looking to cover over that point. However, there are top WRs drafted later. I guess if one wasn't near the top of their board that's the answer. But Hakeem Butler and Kelvin Harmon weren't picked until much later in the draft. Most mocks had a Late 1 to R3 grade on them. Beane certainly knows better than me. I was just challenging that good WRs can't be found later on... Edited April 29, 2019 by cage
Boatdrinks Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. CAR was thinking the same thing as Bills... run on OT starting. A bit of luck for the Bills that Panthers drafted little and not Ford. Saw a couple sites grading day two that said CAR should have taken Ford in that spot. Many had first round grade on the guy.
Seasons1992 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, zow2 said: Such a huge upgrade from Whaley IMO. I know Doug personally, but yes, all day on this when it comes to football decisions.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. It came as a surprise to the Bills. But fortunately they went with a "different Tackle" (Little) rather than Ford. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/4/29/18522327/2019-nfl-draft-brandon-beane-says-cody-ford-will-begin-buffalo-bills-career-at-right-tackle Quote “It was starting to get thin,” Beane said. “We honestly thought when Carolina traded right in front of us, tackle was one of their needs as well. They went with a tackle, they just wanted a different tackle. We felt fortunate to get Cody.” 1 1
msw2112 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: The cost for ODB (a proven weapon) was one first rounder and a third rounder. So it would have cost the Bills Ed Oliver and Singletary. I'd take that deal 100/100 times. I understand the concept of going with proven vs. potential. That said, the Bills just got out of salary cap jail, so taking on ODB's huge contract could have been an albatross. Plus, he's not a fit for the Bills' culture (and apparently not for the Giants' either). And how much success did the Giants have with him leading the way? I said this in another post, but having huge star WRs had not proven to be the path to success in today's NFL. Neither the Rams nor the Pats had a really big name WR leading the way. Who was the Eagles' #1 WR last year? How many Super Bowls have been won by teams featuring Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, Dez Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown, etc. Julio Jones and the Falcons ALMOST got one, but have not been able to sustain that level of success. I'm not trying to cherry pick, but these are some of the biggest names at WR in the NFL in recent years. Let's hope that in a couple of years, looking back, you will say "Although I would have taken that deal 100/100 times in April of 2019, I wouldn't do it now!" Edited April 29, 2019 by msw2112 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, msw2112 said: I understand the concept of going with proven vs. potential. That said, the Bills just got out of salary cap jail, so taking on ODB's huge contract could have been an albatross. Plus, he's not a fit for the Bills' culture (and apparently not for the Giants' either). And how much success did the Giants have with him leading the way? I said this in another post, but having huge star WRs had not proven to be the path to success in today's NFL. Neither the Rams nor the Pats had a really big name WR leading the way. How many Super Bowls have been won by teams featuring Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, Dez Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown, etc. Julio Jones and the Falcons ALMOST got one, but have not been able to sustain that level of success. I'm not trying to cherry pick, but these are some of the biggest names at WR in the NFL in recent years. Let's hope that in a couple of years, looking back, you will say "Although I would have taken that deal 100/100 times in April of 2019, I wouldn't do it now!" Let's hope.
Wo-Bah Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: CAR was thinking the same thing as Bills... run on OT starting. A bit of luck for the Bills that Panthers drafted little and not Ford. Saw a couple sites grading day two that said CAR should have taken Ford in that spot. Many had first round grade on the guy. I am beginning to think we absolutely lucked into getting Ford and are going to be very happy that we did. This kid easily could have went in the first round.
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