I now understand why the Bills passed on DK Metcalf

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Whereas the WR the Bills selected was.....oh wait! 

 

David SIlls V

 

I know stats can lie, but he put up twice the receiving yards in his career as Metcalf, while playing in one fewer year.

[Teddy KGB]

53 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

He reminds me of a younger version of T.O

 

Easily seems like he would've been worth a late 2nd round pick. 

 

Will be interesting to see how he turns out for Seattle. 

 

In what ways does he resemble TO ?   

 

It surely isn’t his footwork or route running. 

 

Yikes 

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

I have a bachelors and a doctorate from Cornell, and have absolutely no f**king idea what you just said...

 

 

Are...are... you Andy Bernard? 

[The Senator]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Are...are... you Andy Bernard? 

 

No, but my walls, desk, shelves, closet, and drawers probably have more Big Red gear than his!

.

[The Senator]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

What NE saw? Lol that’s rich. Brady was a 6th round draft pick and I’m pretty sure the last QB taken. Pretty safe to say they didn’t see all that much ( definitely not an inkling of a HOF career) or he’d have been selected long before that. They took a 6th round flyer at the end of the draft that planned out beyond anyone’s wildest expectation. Probably figured he’d be a camp arm. Let’s not make it out to be some great visionary thing, it was a monumental fluke. That happens sometimes. Every once in awhile you get Kurt Warner instead of Curtis Painter. 

 

Thanks for your insight into the Patriots thoughts 19 years ago.  Gosh, NE ‘took a flier’ on Brady in round 6?  After passing on 5 other QBs?

 

What else are you pretty sure of?  (Brady was the 6th QB taken in 2000, there were 5 QBs picked after him.)

 

Calling Brady a monumental fluke is just ignorant.

 

 The 2000 draft was not ripe with QBs - of the 11 drafted, the only other one of note besides Brady was Marc Bulger, also taken in round 6, before Brady.  First QB drafted that year was Giovanni Carmazzi, in round 3.  Remember him?  (Didn’t think so - probably the only other QB anyone remembers from that year is UDFA Billy Volek.)

 

Every once in a while, a GM knows exactly what he’s doing, and gets a Tom Brady instead of Jamarcus Russell.

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[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, NJKBillsfan said:

T.O 

6'3 213

 

Metcalf

6'3 228

 

40 yard dash

T.O 4.63

 

Metcalf

4.33

 

Vertical Jump

T.O

33 

 

Metcalf

40.5

 

 

 

Yet NFL teams chose Andy Isabella, Paris Campbell, JJ arcega, Mecole Hardman etc etc etc etc over him 

 

The TO comp is valid ??????

[Rocket94]

13 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

He doesn't have that ripped body so he will never do

Ha! well, I know he can run more than a straight line fully clothed!

I don't understand the obsession with wr's this year. With the emergence of Foster and the acquisition of John Brown, the Bills are much improved. Sounds like some Madden scenario...yes, half of these guys were passed over several times. For a reason!

[TakeYouToTasker]

On 4/29/2019 at 8:13 AM, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

So you wanted them to take an over-hyped guy way before he should have been selected?  That move is what some of the past regimes did.  How did two first round picks against Watkins work out?

 

Conventional board wisdom has Watkins being acquired for 13 first round picks.

[Malazan]

10 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

Ah yes, the Brady argument, once again.

 

Why not bring up Kurt Warner?  Warren Moon?

 

Brady carried Brian Griese’s jock strap at Michigan - that’s why no one saw what NE saw.

 

Vis-a-vis Metcalf, EVERYONE (‘cept the Seahawks) know what they didn’t see.  

 

I sincerely don’t know if you’re just being sarcastic or cynical, but if you’re comparing lame, unproductive, fragile, injury-prone  Metcalf to GOAT,  please take an antidote.

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What? Are you paying attention to the conversation? It's about a claim that a 'chip on the shoulder' makes players better. The other guy talked about Tom Brady being drafted in the 6th gave him extra motivation. I disagree that there's any "extra" a player can give because they fell in the draft.

 

You seem to be replying to the wrong person and not replying to anything that was said as no one made the argument that metcalf and brady are on the same level so you might want to take the antidote yourself.

Edited April 30, 2019 by jeremy2020

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Yet NFL teams chose Andy Isabella, Paris Campbell, JJ arcega, Mecole Hardman etc etc etc etc over him 

 

The TO comp is valid ??????

21 WRs were taken before AB in 2010. They're all in the league now. We'll find out who can play come fall and over the next few years.

[ngbills]

On 4/29/2019 at 6:15 AM, Jumpsuit Jim said:

Saying that Bean doesn’t know better than us is like saying the physician doesn’t know more than us because we read Web MD everyday. 

 

And then you follow it up by calling this a decent WR class?  I think.....

 

 

 

wow. 

Again - just because he doesn't pick a guy does not mean he is right. Yes, they study and research but they still get it wrong. My point was it is incorrect to say "Beane passed so obviously he wont be good". I wont list the countless examples of guys passed on that become stars in the league. 

 

I do think there will be some good players. In 3-5 years you can look back and see. 

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

18 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

I have a bachelors and a doctorate from Cornell, and have absolutely no f**king idea what you just said...

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 4/29/2019 at 12:20 PM, Rocket94 said:

What is wrong with John Brown? The guy is a professional and is a real deep threat. None of this year's wr class would be any better. 

 

He's tiny and he has a concussion history. To paraphrase the guys hating on DK Metcalf, all John Brown does is run fast in a straight line. He was the #3 WR in Arizona and that's where he belongs. Us treating him like a #1 guy doesn't make him so. He's a 29 year old receiver that's had 1000 yards and 7 TDs once in his career. That's his ceiling. We should be hoping for a 700 yard/5 TD line, which is fine for the #3 that he is.

[SCBills]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

 

He's tiny and he has a concussion history. To paraphrase the guys hating on DK Metcalf, all John Brown does is run fast in a straight line. He was the #3 WR in Arizona and that's where he belongs. Us treating him like a #1 guy doesn't make him so. He's a 29 year old receiver that's had 1000 yards and 7 TDs once in his career. That's his ceiling. We should be hoping for a 700 yard/5 TD line, which is fine for the #3 that he is.

 

Whos viewing him as a #1?   I think everyone, including our FO, probably acknowledges we have a stable of 2/3 WRs as we currently stand. 

[Phil The Thrill]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

He's tiny and he has a concussion history. To paraphrase the guys hating on DK Metcalf, all John Brown does is run fast in a straight line. He was the #3 WR in Arizona and that's where he belongs. Us treating him like a #1 guy doesn't make him so. He's a 29 year old receiver that's had 1000 yards and 7 TDs once in his career. That's his ceiling. We should be hoping for a 700 yard/5 TD line, which is fine for the #3 that he is.

 

Do you like ANY moves that the Bills have made?  Because you seem to be very critical any time someone says something positive about the team.

[BullBuchanan]

On 4/29/2019 at 8:15 AM, Jumpsuit Jim said:

Saying that Bean doesn’t know better than us is like saying the physician doesn’t know more than us because we read Web MD everyday. 

 

And then you follow it up by calling this a decent WR class?  I think.....

 

 

 

wow. 

 

Um. Have you never worked with or hired a complete idiot? You put way too much faith in someone's ability to do a job based on a job title. Fun fact, someone out there is being treated by the worst doctor to ever graduate from their alma mater and none of their customers know it. What makes sports even worse is that there's no degree, so all they need to do is convince an owner that they can do the job. I work with a ton of people that make a lot of money and I wouldn't trust them to mow my lawn.

[Rocket94]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Whos viewing him as a #1?   I think everyone, including our FO, probably acknowledges we have a stable of 2/3 WRs as we currently stand. 

I do not have a clue what the Bills are going to do at WR. After the A. Brown fiasco, it appears that they are looking for veterans to help Allen. They must have a plan to address it...and the DE mess as well. I just happen to like John Brown despite his troubles. Robert Foster as well. Give these guys a chance. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Rocket94

[Phil The Thrill]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Um. Have you never worked with or hired a complete idiot? You put way too much faith in someone's ability to do a job based on a job title. Fun fact, someone out there is being treated by the worst doctor to ever graduate from their alma mater and none of their customers know it. What makes sports even worse is that there's no degree, so all they need to do is convince an owner that they can do the job. I work with a ton of people that make a lot of money and I wouldn't trust them to mow my lawn.

 

Why wouldn’t you trust them to cut your lawn?  If they make a lot of money, I’m quite sure they could figure out a mower.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Do you like ANY moves that the Bills have made?  Because you seem to be very critical any time someone says something positive about the team.

I LOVE the David Sills pickup. I think he'll be the best WR on the team by the end of next season. I also like the Knox pick a lot. Drafted on high end phsyical talents is what I always advocate for in later round picks. I also think the LB was a good pick, as he hits like a truck. If they can teach him how to play football, he could be a real player. I think the DT in round 1 is a little meh, but he was BPA, and there's no one I wanted more there. I think the OL pick in Rd 2 was very meh given the previous investments they made, but they had him BPA. I think the undersized RB was a wasted pick, and the same of the small slow safety. not sure the last TE makes it out of camp, but not worried about him.

For FA, I liked the Brown pick, assuming they'd get Brown or Beckham or DK to be the #1. I didn't care for the Beasely pick as he's old with no upside left. Hated the gore signing. Liked the yeldon signing. Liked the Morse and spain signings. Didn't love Kroft at the money. 1.5M cheaper would have been better. I hated the moves they didn't make (Watching the Browns become the next Eagles overnight)

4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Why wouldn’t you trust them to cut your lawn?  If they make a lot of money, I’m quite sure they could figure out a mower.

Because there are a lot of highly compensated and well respected incompetent people on this planet and billions more between there and great.

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Whos viewing him as a #1?   I think everyone, including our FO, probably acknowledges we have a stable of 2/3 WRs as we currently stand. 

He's the #1 by default. He's had the most success of any WR on the roster and that's the problem. I like him as a role player, but not at all as a guy the Bills were comfortable going into the season with until UDFA.