Mods- Don't merge yet - everyone needs to see Sills video he put up on twitter

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Whoa, relax. I get it, you really like the kid and have said as much. It's also ok to be critical and realistic of his chances of making an NFL team. He has an uphill battle and if you don't think that you are fooling yourself. There's no need to defend every post that points his short comings or things he needs to work on. It's a discussion.

 

No one's rooting for this kid to fail.

 

Deep breath.

There was nothing he said that was over the top or that would justify telling him to  “relax” or “take a deep breath.” He was simply providing sound responses to superficial critiques...

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

There was nothing he said that was over the top or that would justify telling him to  “relax” or “take a deep breath.” He was simply providing sound responses to superficial critiques...

 

I don't think Alpha needs you to help him out here, thanks for jumping in though. He just told a guy who spends hours watching film and watches a lot of prospects to "go watch more film."

 

And they weren't "superficial" critiques. I've watched him. Gunner has watched him. He got a lot free releases. If you care to challenge that claim, I'd love to have a discussion and you can tell me more how he didn't.

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

We need to get some views and have this stand out for a bit - Fan favorite right here

 

On a side note, no one can tell me those aren’t the best uniforms in the league!

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I don't think Alpha needs you to help him out here, thanks for jumping in though. He just told a guy who spends hours watching film and watches a lot of prospects to "go watch more film."

 

And they weren't "superficial" critiques. I've watched him. Gunner has watched him. He got a lot free releases. If you care to challenge that claim, I'd love to have a discussion and you can tell me more how he didn't.

 

First, I didn’t say “go watch more film”.  Gunner specifically sighted the clips in that very tiny sample size highlight reel.  I said watch the bigger reels then if that’s what he is basing his statement on.  Wasn’t meant to be disrespectful to him and I am sure he knows that.

 

I even agreed on what he said, I just disagreed he struggled with it in College.  I also said scouts projections are a different story and was only sighting what he did in college.

 

And I watch a lot of film too   

 

All good, I’m not bothered by anything here.  Just clarifying my previous comments as you seem to have taken them to be harsh when it wasn’t my intention at all in either comment.  So just further clearing the air is all  Go Bills

Edited April 28, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

First, I didn’t say “go watch more film”.  Gunner specifically sighted the clips in that very tiny sample size highlight reel.  I said watch the bigger reels then if that’s what he is basing his statement on.  Wasn’t meant to be disrespectful to him and I am sure he knows that.

 

I even agreed on what he said, I just disagreed he struggled with it in College.  I also said scouts projections are a different story and was only sighting what he did in college.

 

And I watch a lot of film too   

 

All good, I’m not bothered by anything here.  Just clarifying my previous comments as you seem to have taken them to be harsh when it wasn’t my intention at all in either comment.

 

No no, I was fine until billsfan jumped in like you needed defending or something.

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I don't think Alpha needs you to help him out here, thanks for jumping in though. He just told a guy who spends hours watching film and watches a lot of prospects to "go watch more film."

 

And they weren't "superficial" critiques. I've watched him. Gunner has watched him. He got a lot free releases. If you care to challenge that claim, I'd love to have a discussion and you can tell me more how he didn't.

I wasn’t referring to Gunner’s critique - I was referring to yours (as it was his response to you that you quoted). And you are right, he doesn’t need my help. And I would say your claim of a lot of free releases is a bit superficial

Edited April 28, 2019 by billsfan1959

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

I wasn’t referring to Gunner’s critique - I was referring to yours (as it was his response to you that you quoted). And you are right, he doesn’t need my help. And I would say your claim of a lot of free releases is a bit superficial

 

And you would be wrong.

 

It's not superficial if you can literally watch these games and see the free releases. Its what other scouts and pundits saw too. My guess is you haven't watched him. Notice how Alpha didn't say that wasn't the case? Or didn't dispute it? 

[BillsfanAZ]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What’s this guys deal? All I see anywhere are people saying good things about him. Not even just Bills fans. He put up good numbers too. Why didn’t he get drafted? What is he slow or something?

As a WVU alum I watched just about every game over the past years. Sills can get separation and he doesnt drop many balls. He doesnt have a lot of experience as a WR. He wasnt asked to do a lot of blocking down field because WV wasnt a big running offense with all the WR weapons they had. So there may be questions about his frame and blocking ability. I just watched the games but didnt study his film so I am not sure how many different routes WV asked him to run. Slants, go routes, and fades is where he caught a lot of balls. He did play in the Big 12 which isnt known for defense. Sills production was almost identical the past two years. He had a lot of TD's but he also shared the field with Jennings, Simms, and Wesco. Jennings and Wesco were both drafted. Simms stayed in college. 

 

I am not sure if Sills makes the team this year but he will definitely make it a tough decision. I think it will come down to his route running and blocking. He is a huge red zone target who will go up to get the ball. He is very reliable. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

We need to get some views and have this stand out for a bit - Fan favorite right here

 

 

OK OK I was like "sorry, how many threads we need for an UDFA?" but I watched it and at 24 seconds he got me.

 

I give this kid props for the extra effort and I gotta leave it here.

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK OK I was like "sorry, how many threads we need for an UDFA?" but I watched it and at 24 seconds he got me.

 

I give this kid props for the extra effort and I gotta leave it here.

 

 

LOL. The last thing I wanted to do was start another, but it would be buried everywhere else. I wasn't even for looking for a critique of him as a player; since those threads already exist. It's just refreshing again to see a player:

 

1.) Want to play for the Bills

2.) Put some effort in as small as this is

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It's because he doesn't separate. Even on those highlights on that video. Lot of contested catches and the defender is right there. They are harder to come down with against NFL DBs. I keep saying this and people keep ignoring me but separation and catching the ball are the two things NFL scouts value above all. He has to find a way to get more separation and for me it is all about being more precise route runner. He isn't a burner but he is fast enough - if he can be more precise running routes he will get that separation more consistently and make it in the NFL. 

 

I agree with you, Gunner, but what I see is he seems to have an instinct for positioning his body to make the catch and disadvantage the defender.  And I'm not sure you can teach that.

 

He also seems willing to put in the extra work, so we'll see.

[Reed83HOF]

34 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Good stuff thanks Reed

 

No problem! Thought it would be fun for every to see.

 

This was a real cool pic he has up on twitter as well:

 

https://twitter.com/DS5_/status/1119979779518795776

[mikemac2001]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

 

No problem! Thought it would be fun for every to see.

 

This was a real cool pic he has up on twitter as well:

 

https://twitter.com/DS5_/status/1119979779518795776

 

It looks so real idk how they can do that

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said:

This years Da'Rick, This years "My guy"

 

He's not really, but there's another thread to talk about that.

 

This one is to draw attention to the amusing fan vid the kid put up on Twitter.  For reals, check it out - get at least 30 seconds into it. 

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

No problem! Thought it would be fun for every to see.

 

This was a real cool pic he has up on twitter as well:

 

https://twitter.com/DS5_/status/1119979779518795776

 

You're a Bad Man

[Alphadawg7]

23 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

No no, I was fine until billsfan jumped in like you needed defending or something.

 

All good man

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He's not really, but there's another thread to talk about that.

 

This one is to draw attention to the amusing fan vid the kid put up on Twitter.  For reals, check it out - get at least 30 seconds into it. 

 

You're a Bad Man

 

@Lurker That is how it's done
 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Our top 4 WRs are set, plus we have one guy who’s going to be listed as a WR but is almost purely a return guy.

 

So do we keep a 6th WR or do you legitimately think Sills pushes another one of our guys there off the roster? Zay is the only one I can see, but I don’t think Beane wants to let him go considering he already started talking potential upcoming contract he’s gonna need to negotiate with him in the next couple years.

[SDS]

I am pretty sure I didn't need to see that at all.

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then watch more highlights or something, showed plenty of separation and route running on film.  

 

I agree with you fully on the importance of separation of course, but I just don’t agree with he struggles doing it in college.  Now how he projects in scouts minds is a different scenario, but just saying he was a very good route runner at West Virginia and his reel is full of all kinds of play where he torched DBs with his feet, cuts, and routes.

 

He isn't a prospect I watched enough of to have a full grade. They don't go on the board unless I have 3 full games but I saw the Texas game and the Oklahoma State game live on TV and I thought it was a problem in both games. He isn't physical enough off the line to beat press and then he lacks a bit of precision in his route running to create clear separation. Like I say I didn't really dig into the tape and grade him but I always thought he was a late day 3 pick. Slightly surprised he went undrafted and he has a chance to be an NFL player but he needs to sharpen up the precision of his routes. Otherwise he just will not separate from top flight NFL DBs. The good news is that is something that is coachable. He has enough speed, he has good size and he has good hands so the building blocks are there. 

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with you, Gunner, but what I see is he seems to have an instinct for positioning his body to make the catch and disadvantage the defender.  And I'm not sure you can teach that.

 

He also seems willing to put in the extra work, so we'll see.

 

Yea he does Hapless. I agree. Whether he is able to outsmart NFL corners that way I am a bit less sure. There is occasionally a guy tho - I would argue Dez Bryant was one - who is never really a great route runner never really a big separation guy and does use body position and smarts to win more than his share of contested catches. I don't think his talent is on Dez's level but I give Sills a chance of making this roster. I suspect they will want a big guy somewhere in there if possible so Sills and Williams are in that mix. 

[BananaSquad]

Thielen went undrafted so you never know.. be amazing to have the next Thielen here.