GunnerBill Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Lotulelei played 67% of defensive snaps under McDermott in Carolina in 2016.............if you think the intention was for him to play less than 50% of snaps and that would remotely justify $10M per year then I don't know what to tell ya'. That really doesn't make any sense. He just didn't play well enough.........that's why he didn't play more.......simple as that. Gunner and I think he played like garbage but regardless of how sub-par he played he was not good and is being paid like the best run stopper in football......... his contract is awful. Garbage might slightly oversell my view..... Adolphus Washington was garbage. Star by performance last season is a marginal starter / serviceable 'run package only' type rotational player being paid as a top 12 defensive tackle. And that is horrible value. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Lotulelei played 67% of defensive snaps under McDermott in Carolina in 2016.............if you think the intention was for him to play less than 50% of snaps and that would remotely justify $10M per year then I don't know what to tell ya'. That really doesn't make any sense. He just didn't play well enough.........that's why he didn't play more.......simple as that. Gunner and I think he played like garbage but regardless of how sub-par he played he was not good and is being paid like the best run stopper in football......... his contract is awful. If you were just to add up his percentages (rough estimate) of all the seasons Star has played in (minus 2015 when he was out for the year)...it's roughly around 53%-54%. He also had the second most snaps at the DT position last year. "He didn't play well enough....why he didn't play more". Actually, when a guy is playing like trash/garbage (your exact words) then he would be taken off the field. You're not acknowledging that at all....you're trying to find loop holes by now saying "he didn't play more". So lets just get to the point. Did Sean McDermott continue to play Star even though he could see with his own eyes that he was hurting our defense? You tend to get in these long rants when you're trying to make a point.....this is simply a yes or no question. 45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Lotulelei played 67% of defensive snaps under McDermott in Carolina in 2016.............if you think the intention was for him to play less than 50% of snaps and that would remotely justify $10M per year then I don't know what to tell ya'. That really doesn't make any sense. He just didn't play well enough.........that's why he didn't play more.......simple as that. Gunner and I think he played like garbage but regardless of how sub-par he played he was not good and is being paid like the best run stopper in football......... his contract is awful. You sure about that? 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Garbage might slightly oversell my view..... Adolphus Washington was garbage. Star by performance last season is a marginal starter / serviceable 'run package only' type rotational player being paid as a top 12 defensive tackle. And that is horrible value. Don't you think that in general, FA on the open market are overpaid on average at every position? Edited June 19, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1
BADOLBILZ Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Garbage might slightly oversell my view..... Adolphus Washington was garbage. Star by performance last season is a marginal starter / serviceable 'run package only' type rotational player being paid as a top 12 defensive tackle. And that is horrible value. Rubbish and garbage are by very definition synonymous..............but the relativity of his play versus his pay factors into that. Adolphus graded out as one of the worst few DL in the NFL..........there is no point in comparing the two. 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Put it this way.... the regime has already shown more patience with Star than they did with Dareus. That might be because while he is rubbish he is their rubbish. What was that again?
BADOLBILZ Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If you were just to add up his percentages (rough estimate) of all the seasons Star has played in (minus 2015 when he was out for the year)...it's roughly around 53%-54%. He also had the second most snaps at the DT position last year. "He didn't play well enough....why he didn't play more". Actually, when a guy is playing like trash/garbage (your exact words) then he would be taken off the field. You're not acknowledging that at all....you're trying to find loop holes by now saying "he didn't play more". So lets just get to the point. Did Sean McDermott continue to play Star even though he could see with his own eyes that he was hurting our defense? You tend to get in these long rants when you're trying to make a point.....this is simply a yes or no question. In the three seasons that he didn't miss games to injury in Carolina he played 60%, 66% and 59% of the teams snaps in those years. I don't know where you came up with that 53% figure but it's about 10% low. I am guessing you didn't bother to check that Lotulelei missed 2 full games and parts of 2 others in 2014............kinda' like you botched the Jordan Phillips snaps earlier. In short.........for like the 5th time.......forget the stats dude you are terrible at it. And as for your question.........do YOU think Vlad Ducasse playing 53% of offensive snaps proved McDermott thought he wasn't hurting the offense? You are trying to find a conclusion where there isn't one. Sometimes players play simply because there isn't enough depth or quality or even because they were highly paid players and management is hoping they start justifying their contract(you know, like.......Kelvin Benjamin).
GunnerBill Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Rubbish and garbage are by very definition synonymous..............but the relativity of his play versus his pay factors into that. Adolphus graded out as one of the worst few DL in the NFL..........there is no point in comparing the two. What was that again? Yes I was being slightly facetious when I said rubbish. He was though, relative to his pay, indeed rubbish. 1
BillsVet Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Shaw66 said: This is ridiculous. Pure fiction. Inconsistent with the facts. Totally ignorant of who McDermott is and what he is doing. But it's creative. Congratulations on that. Is this supposed to be a rebuttal of someone responding to you? Because if it is, I'm thinking you did not perform well in Debate Class. 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh absolutely. I don't think for a minute that McDermott came into this job with an open mind about the personnel. I think he was arrogant like most new HC's but also knew that he wasn't a game changing X and O guy...........and that his background wasn't that impressive so he wasn't going to have an easy time winning over prime age players in ANY locker room outside of Carolina...........and he found a job here in Buffalo where he would be given the freedom to build a roster in his image and jumped at the chance. For an unsophisticated first time HC who has a lot of re-tread potential this is a very good opportunity..........plenty of built in excuses and if it doesn't work he can say he learned from his "honest" mistakes like trying to improve culture in the next interview. But I think he's already changed his tune about the sanctity of the process.............losing will do that............and that's why they were all over Antonio Brown who is anything but process when it comes to being a teammate. If they don't win this year it could get ugly like the end of the Jauron era where Dickie went from Jauron Ball to trying to create a no-huddle offense and taking TO into the fold. I don't think McD takes the job without extracting a guarantee from the Pegula's about unprecedented personnel authority. That they gave it to him with his track record is still surprising. To go from hiring Rex to two years later going to the other end of the Spectrum in McD is amazing. And yet, record-wise they were the same after 2 seasons. And, this revolving door that is "the process" will proceed through more iterations before the season is over. Edited June 19, 2019 by BillsVet 2
Shaw66 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: do YOU think Vlad Ducasse playing 53% of offensive snaps proved McDermott thought he wasn't hurting the offense? One thing that your are consistently misleading about this point. Offensive guards are supposed to play 100% of the snaps. McDermott intends that his defensive tackles rotate. In an ideal world they'd be 50-50, but if McD has his druthers, he'll never have a DT over 60%. 40% of the snaps, or whatever Star had last season isn''t bad. Isn't consistent with what he got paid, but that's a false metric. The question is whether he did his job, and the ONLY information you have about whether Star did his job on the field is that his snaps were relatively low. That's ALL you have - no coaches' analysis of his play. And you have absolutely no information about Star's off-field presence. 2
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: One thing that your are consistently misleading about this point. Offensive guards are supposed to play 100% of the snaps. McDermott intends that his defensive tackles rotate. In an ideal world they'd be 50-50, but if McD has his druthers, he'll never have a DT over 60%. 40% of the snaps, or whatever Star had last season isn''t bad. Isn't consistent with what he got paid, but that's a false metric. The question is whether he did his job, and the ONLY information you have about whether Star did his job on the field is that his snaps were relatively low. That's ALL you have - no coaches' analysis of his play. And you have absolutely no information about Star's off-field presence. Good point.
BADOLBILZ Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: We are 63% of the snaps toward 100 pages. This one's for John! 1
mannc Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Since this is headed for 100 pages, can we get the OP to spell Wawrow’s name correctly in the title? 2
Royale with Cheese Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: In the three seasons that he didn't miss games to injury in Carolina he played 60%, 66% and 59% of the teams snaps in those years. I don't know where you came up with that 53% figure but it's about 10% low. I am guessing you didn't bother to check that Lotulelei missed 2 full games and parts of 2 others in 2014............kinda' like you botched the Jordan Phillips snaps earlier. In short.........for like the 5th time.......forget the stats dude you are terrible at it. And as for your question.........do YOU think Vlad Ducasse playing 53% of offensive snaps proved McDermott thought he wasn't hurting the offense? You are trying to find a conclusion where there isn't one. Sometimes players play simply because there isn't enough depth or quality or even because they were highly paid players and management is hoping they start justifying their contract(you know, like.......Kelvin Benjamin). I added all the percentages roughly, I told you that. I didn't miss it, I used it. That's roughly the average of all the years he has played, including last year. Are you really comparing Vlad Ducasse's situation to Star's? Vlad Ducasse was inactive the last 6 games of the season. How many games was Star inactive last year? McDermott stated that he wanted to play the younger guys which is why Benjamin got reduced snaps. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/01/sean-mcdermott-discusses-kelvin-benjamins-reduced-role-buffalo-bills-miami-dolphins/ I appreciate the way that he works because to your point, his reps have gone down and that’s more so because of wanting to see some of the younger guys and also younger guys, when given the opportunity, are making the most of it, making the plays,” McDermott said. Happened with Ducasse as well with putting Teller out there...youth movement there. We had the lowest paid offensive line in the league as a unit by far. Ducasse was playing because he had literally nothing behind him. Teller was inactive 8 games who eventually replaced him. Only, if only we had drafted a young DT that played the same position as Star....I guess we didn't since Star continued to play throughout the season. So lets take a look at the 3 guys you have in your post. Benjamin cut, Ducasse cut, Star still a starter.....apples to apples comparison there.... 32 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: One thing that your are consistently misleading about this point. Offensive guards are supposed to play 100% of the snaps. McDermott intends that his defensive tackles rotate. In an ideal world they'd be 50-50, but if McD has his druthers, he'll never have a DT over 60%. 40% of the snaps, or whatever Star had last season isn''t bad. Isn't consistent with what he got paid, but that's a false metric. The question is whether he did his job, and the ONLY information you have about whether Star did his job on the field is that his snaps were relatively low. That's ALL you have - no coaches' analysis of his play. And you have absolutely no information about Star's off-field presence. No...he will argue McDermott's pride as well.
Shaw66 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: No...he will argue McDermott's pride as well. Like there's a lot of evidence that McD makes decisions based on his pride.
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I added all the percentages roughly, I told you that. I didn't miss it, I used it. That's roughly the average of all the years he has played, including last year. Are you really comparing Vlad Ducasse's situation to Star's? Vlad Ducasse was inactive the last 6 games of the season. How many games was Star inactive last year? McDermott stated that he wanted to play the younger guys which is why Benjamin got reduced snaps. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/01/sean-mcdermott-discusses-kelvin-benjamins-reduced-role-buffalo-bills-miami-dolphins/ I appreciate the way that he works because to your point, his reps have gone down and that’s more so because of wanting to see some of the younger guys and also younger guys, when given the opportunity, are making the most of it, making the plays,” McDermott said. Happened with Ducasse as well with putting Teller out there...youth movement there. We had the lowest paid offensive line in the league as a unit by far. Ducasse was playing because he had literally nothing behind him. Teller was inactive 8 games who eventually replaced him. Only, if only we had drafted a young DT that played the same position as Star....I guess we didn't since Star continued to play throughout the season. So lets take a look at the 3 guys you have in your post. Benjamin cut, Ducasse cut, Star still a starter.....apples to apples comparison there.... No...he will argue McDermott's pride as well. Just as a point of clarification, I believe Ducasse is still on the team. I suspect it’s only a matter of time before he’s cut, though.
BADOLBILZ Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: One thing that your are consistently misleading about this point. Offensive guards are supposed to play 100% of the snaps. McDermott intends that his defensive tackles rotate. In an ideal world they'd be 50-50, but if McD has his druthers, he'll never have a DT over 60%. 40% of the snaps, or whatever Star had last season isn''t bad. Isn't consistent with what he got paid, but that's a false metric. The question is whether he did his job, and the ONLY information you have about whether Star did his job on the field is that his snaps were relatively low. That's ALL you have - no coaches' analysis of his play. And you have absolutely no information about Star's off-field presence. Ok Adolphus Washington played 46% of snaps in 2017..........is that an indicator whatsoever that McDermott didn't think he was hurting the defense? I think the McDruthers would be to have a 1 tech he could play 60-65% of snaps(like he used Lotulelei in Carolina) and a 3 tech who could play about 70-73% (like Kawann Short in 2015 and 2016)...........but if he could have two Kawann Short's at DT3T then maybe he'd be OK with 50/50 like you said.
SoTier Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 2:53 PM, Chemical said: Yes we know that. The debate comes from people thinking it was a good decision. It was not McDermott or Beane made the decision, ergo it must be a good one, just like naming Nathan Peterman the starter and then trading away AJ McCarron. Brilliant! On 6/18/2019 at 3:07 PM, K-9 said: So, coach. How do you manage that situation knowing that he’s not committed to your program, doesn’t want to be on your team, has chronic tardiness issues, and gives a half assed effort half the time ALL while you’re a first year coach trying to establish YOUR vision, YOUR culture, and YOUR rules of conduct? Yeah, it’s much more productive to keep ripping him for making the mistake in the first place. You ever make a mistake and own up to it? Your second sentence is asinine. Well, maybe McDermott just doesn't have the temperament to be a HC in the salary cap era. Successful coaches have always found ways to deal with difficult but talented players, and that's even more important in this era when the salary cap imposes significant limits on teams' ability to fashion "perfect" rosters, however, the GM/HC define "perfect". 1
SoTier Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 3:30 PM, K-9 said: No, YOU don’t give him credit. Others can and I do. He tried something, it didn’t work. He owned it, moved on, and tried to correct it. You seem to see that as some sort of character flaw. Are you so f**king perfect that you’ve never screwed up, admitted it, and tried to correct it? Dareus wanted out of Buffalo. Period. End of story. His character issues notwithstanding, and there were several. His chronic tardiness issues, showing up fat and out of shape, being one more infraction away from a suspension, and half assed efforts the first month of the season, were not “perceived.” They were DEMONSTRATED. More than a few times, too. More patience? McDermott gave him 10 months to get on board and turn it around. Other coaches may not have been so patient. As for reuniting with Marrone? Good for them! Feel free to play some Peaches and Herb in their honor. Yeah, yeah, yeah .... every time the Bills trade away a talented player for the equivalent of used athletic equipment, Bills fans rally around the GM/HC/whoever responsible for making said trade with the trite "he didn't want to be here" bull manure. It's the perfect refuge when said traded player like Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch go on to become All Pros. If Dareus regains his All Pro form, the Bills will be three-for-three. 1
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, SoTier said: McDermott or Beane made the decision, ergo it must be a good one, just like naming Nathan Peterman the starter and then trading away AJ McCarron. Brilliant! Well, maybe McDermott just doesn't have the temperament to be a HC in the salary cap era. Successful coaches have always found ways to deal with difficult but talented players, and that's even more important in this era when the salary cap imposes significant limits on teams' ability to fashion "perfect" rosters, however, the GM/HC define "perfect". How long do you think Dareus would last with Belichick? McD doesn’t have the temperament. Right. Just now, SoTier said: Yeah, yeah, yeah .... every time the Bills trade away a talented player for the equivalent of used athletic equipment, Bills fans rally around the GM/HC/whoever responsible for making said trade with the trite "he didn't want to be here" bull manure. It's the perfect refuge when said traded player like Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch go on to become All Pros. If Dareus regains his All Pro form, the Bills will be three-for-three. I hope Dareus does just that. Good for him. But let’s not conflate every F***king trade made by various regimes. It’s a weak argument as it has ZERO to do with anything Dareus.
oldmanfan Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Yeah, yeah, yeah .... every time the Bills trade away a talented player for the equivalent of used athletic equipment, Bills fans rally around the GM/HC/whoever responsible for making said trade with the trite "he didn't want to be here" bull manure. It's the perfect refuge when said traded player like Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch go on to become All Pros. If Dareus regains his All Pro form, the Bills will be three-for-three. I will put money down right now that Dareus does not sniff All Pro status again. Do you recall the incident with him missing the bus? McD was quoted afterward about how they had talked it out and Dareus understood things. There were pictures of the two of them talking things over on the practice field. Dareus simply did not want to step up. And thus got traded. in your company or whomever you work for, is it your policy to have your highest paid employee be the one that flaunts the rules and becomes a problem, or do you expect your highest paid employee to be one of your leaders? And Lynch and his agent told Buddy he would not resign after they drafted Spiller. That is reality. As I have said before a opinions are fine but should have some basis in fact and logic.
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