Capco Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Well...no they aren't. A 4-3 DE is usually in the 265-280 range in weight a 3-4 OLB is usually in the 235-245 range in weight I always thought a traditional 3-4 OLB is 250+ lbs, and usually at least 6'3''. A traditional 4-3 DE is also pushing 6'3'' but floating around 270. 4-3 OLBs are often around 6'1'' and 230-240 lbs.
mjt328 Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Well...no they aren't. A 4-3 DE is usually in the 265-280 range in weight a 3-4 OLB is usually in the 235-245 range in weight Additionally the 3-4 OLB needs to be able to play in space in a way the 4-3 does not need to and the 4-3 DE needs to be better at the point of attack against the run than the 3-4 OLB does. agree that their MAIN role is the same...get the QB, but the other things they need to be able to do and their attributes are not the same at all. Allen likely will occupy the same spot as Jerry Hughes does with the Bills for the Jags...he might be a little light to play DE, but they will probably let him stand up a lot coming off the edge Well sure, there are definitely variations. Just like Star Lotulelei and Ed Oliver technically don't play the same position either. Some guys are better fits as a 4-3 DE, as opposed to a 3-4 OLB. No doubt. I just think it's "closer" to group a DE like Jerry Hughes with an OLB like Von Miller, than it would be to group him with a DE like JJ Watt or Aaron Donald.
krf139 Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 They had to rebrand because these guys have no clue how to stop the run
cage Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Because 4-3 Defensive Ends and 3-4 Outside Linebackers are basically the same guys... At the same time, 4-3 Defensive Tackles and 3-4 Defensive Ends are basically the same guys. If Josh Allen had been drafted by the Giants last night, he would have been a linebacker. But since he got drafted by the Jaguars, he will be playing defensive end. In the same way, Ed Oliver would have been a defensive end for the Giants. But he will be a defensive tackle for us. More people are now starting to refer to the positions as Edge Rusher and Interior Defensive Line, and I personally think it's more accurate and easier to help identify what a guy's responsibilities actually are. Also, when did these players become so singularly 1-dimensional that a 6'4" athletic stud can only fulfill a micro-targeted role on a football team?
Nextmanup Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Quick question. I notice that in some media, the position which once was referred to as “Defensive End” is now called “Edge Rusher” or sometimes “Edge.” When did this happen and why? I think it started with specialty outside linebackers who were "tweeners" i.e., they were huge LBs but small DEs...and their primary job was to rush the QB around the end of the line. It doesn't really matter what you call that guy in terms of "defensive end" or "outside linebacker" or whatever....and his job is too specialized to be tagged so generally anyway. Probably started in the '90s when "edge rushing" specialists started really becoming a thing.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Quick question. I notice that in some media, the position which once was referred to as “Defensive End” is now called “Edge Rusher” or sometimes “Edge.” When did this happen and why? Good Question. I think this change is primarily due to Fantasy Football. On a 3-4 you have OLBs who rush the passer. But they tend to be similar to Defensive Ends and have fewer tackles than typical 4-3 LBs. If you call them LBs, they tend to be at a disadvantage fantasy wise (and were not getting picked into fantasy teams). Imagine running a fantasy league and Khalil Mack does not get drafted in it:) It just does not meet the eye test as a good scoring system. So you cannot classify these 3-4 OLBs with a Linebacker like Tremaine Edmunds. Thus, the EDGE rusher term was introduced to refer to both 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 DEs.
vorpma Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 Millennials need catchy phrases to make the game appealing?
tombstone56 Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 I think edge rusher is what used to be called tweeter, but now it’s hard to find olb with any size too .
TroutDog Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: I've never heard of an arctic bomb, and polar vortex is a real thing that is far more than just cold weather. They’re both real and are back in our vernacular due to Al Roker. ?
Locomark Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 It has just been the past few years. I agree with all the prior comment about guys that cover and rush, 3-4 , Taylor, but I think is really became popular when Clowney came into the league. See the tag mess when he got tapped as a linebacker and got screwed out of the DE top 5 money.
Stallions Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 5 hours ago, ocemur said: When the agents figured out they were losing money because their clients were being called "tweeners". Well he's maybe a DE or an OLB if he drops a few pounds in the right scheme... No, wait! he's an Edge Rusher! That's the ticket! Well Bruce came into the league over 300 lbs. Then he started with the Jiffy Pop and wearing out Stair Master machines after his rookie year. It was a different era of football. We had Jeff Wright playing NT at 270 and Phil Hansen at LDE at 272
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