Round 2 - trade up for?

[Locomark]

I don’t get why no one is talking about AJ Brown. He was the featured receiver on the team that included Metcalf. Difference is he is an amazing route runner and breaks tackles galore and is more of a sure thing. Metcalf could be boom or bust. Brown reminds me of a kid from Kutztown  we used to have. He can play slot and outside, which in a spread formation is exactly what we need. I doubt he will be there at 40 but he is a slamdunk for us. I would value only Cody Ford or Greedy Williams above him and they will be gone by then. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Locomark said:

Let’s look at the teams in front of us in rd 2. too many need WRs for us to get who we want standing still IMO. 

 

AZ: OL, WR, CB

IN: edge, CB, WR

Raid:CB, OL May trade down

49: WR,

Sea: CB, S , May trade down 

Jax: WR,OL, TE, 

Bucs: OL, CB, RB

None of them are likely picking a QB. and there could easily be 2-3 WR and Irv Smith to Jax off the board. 

I want offense here but I have those gut feeling that we end up picking CB and when we do I will probably throw something !!!!

 

 

I would bet Winovich doesn’t get past the Pats in round 2.

Would also accept Zach Allen or Maxx Crosby

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Would love Taylor but the knee concern is obviously troubling.  Ford or Risner.

 

Andy Isabella truly intrigues me following his Senior Bowl performance.

[blacklabel]

I'd like to see them come away with AJ Brown at 40 but we'll see. Either way, they should have a chance at a solid receiver if that's the route the wanna go. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Would love Taylor but the knee concern is obviously troubling.  Ford or Risner.

 

Andy Isabella truly intrigues me following his Senior Bowl performance.

Sounds like Ford is going #33

[CaptnCoke11]

17 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

A stud left tackle that can anchor the line for the next decade.

Yeah that’s not very likely at this point 

[Locomark]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

Unreal depth in this draft:

 

 

Did anyone notice this list had the Jaguars listed as Jawaan's college team LOL... that was the rumor for round 1 and seems to be the rumor for round 2 as well....

 

 

[akm0404]

5 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I don’t get why no one is talking about AJ Brown. He was the featured receiver on the team that included Metcalf. Difference is he is an amazing route runner and breaks tackles galore and is more of a sure thing. Metcalf could be boom or bust. Brown reminds me of a kid from Kutztown  we used to have. He can play slot and outside, which in a spread formation is exactly what we need. I doubt he will be there at 40 but he is a slamdunk for us. I would value only Cody Ford or Greedy Williams above him and they will be gone by then. 

 

I think people are talking about AJ Brown, but definitely there is much more hype around DK Metcalf.  I might even agree with you that Brown would be a better pick, but I'd advise in using caution when looking at college productivity to evaluate NFL receivers.  Many (most) colleges do not run anything approaching NFL-style offenses, and many (almost all) college receivers are having balls distributed to them from pretty terrible quarterbacks.

 

So, just because AJB caught more passes than DKM in the Ole Miss offense last year doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.  QB, scheme, injuries, etc.  Guys like Michael Thomas come to mind when considering prospects with limited college numbers .

 

Ceiling/floor, risk/reward.  I think most impartial observers would agree that Metcalf has a higher ceiling due to some elite athletic gifts.  I think most would also agree that that Brown is more likely to succeed.  Those aren't mutually exclusive - question is whether the opportunity cost at #40 justifies a riskier pick.  My jury is still out (and this jury isn't convinced they go WR next, either).

[Locomark]

Just heard NFL network say Raiders are looking for a TE, so Irv Smith might be gone.....

[mrags]

2 hours ago, 100DollarBills said:

I may be in the minority, but I think Hakeem Butler will be a better pro than DK. 

He will

38 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I don’t get why no one is talking about AJ Brown. He was the featured receiver on the team that included Metcalf. Difference is he is an amazing route runner and breaks tackles galore and is more of a sure thing. Metcalf could be boom or bust. Brown reminds me of a kid from Kutztown  we used to have. He can play slot and outside, which in a spread formation is exactly what we need. I doubt he will be there at 40 but he is a slamdunk for us. I would value only Cody Ford or Greedy Williams above him and they will be gone by then. 

Brown will be better than D.K. just like Butler will. Harmon, And Hall will also be better. 

[Locomark]

23 minutes ago, akm0404 said:

 

I think people are talking about AJ Brown, but definitely there is much more hype around DK Metcalf.  I might even agree with you that Brown would be a better pick, but I'd advise in using caution when looking at college productivity to evaluate NFL receivers.  Many (most) colleges do not run anything approaching NFL-style offenses, and many (almost all) college receivers are having balls distributed to them from pretty terrible quarterbacks.

 

So, just because AJB caught more passes than DKM in the Ole Miss offense last year doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.  QB, scheme, injuries, etc.  Guys like Michael Thomas come to mind when considering prospects with limited college numbers .

 

Ceiling/floor, risk/reward.  I think most impartial observers would agree that Metcalf has a higher ceiling due to some elite athletic gifts.  I think most would also agree that that Brown is more likely to succeed.  Those aren't mutually exclusive - question is whether the opportunity cost at #40 justifies a riskier pick.  My jury is still out (and this jury isn't convinced they go WR next, either).

I am ok with the Bills philosophy of BPA, but I am wary of projecting future success on a player like Metcalf who didn't even lead his college team in performance. I think part of evaluating Best Player available should include risk / reward. Metcalf has more risk (lesser hands, limited route tree) but could have more ceiling. Looking at his tape versus Greedy of LSU, I wasn't really sold on his potential to run the full route tree, but I'll leave that up to the professionals at OBD to discern...either way we should have good players to choose from at 40. I am just hoping we enhance our offensive playmaking ability on day 2. We got better in FA but not good enough to score enough point with the big boys yet.

[Rocket94]

Perhaps no trade involved with these two. Dalton Risner and Zach Allen...finishing touches!

[Locomark]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

He will

Brown will be better than D.K. just like Butler will. Harmon, And Hall will also be better. 

I like the big catch radius on Butler. His big size and 95 inch wing span gives him ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls probably added to his grade at OBD due to Allen's known accuracy challenges. That kid had an awful QB as ISU. Didn't see much of Harmon or Hall. I think there is quality in round 2-4 at WR. I even like Stanley Morgan's kid in the later rounds as a sleeper.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

could be wrong but it's all a guessing game anyway. I believe they go defense again with the 2nd pick?

[ndirish1978]

52 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Sounds like Ford is going #33

 

Risner still likely to be around though

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Risner still likely to be around though

Jets are looking at Erik McCoy and Elgton

 

Also

 

 

[Augie]

4 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

You need to add Irv Smith, Jr onto that list. I'm hoping for Metcalf or Butler.

 

You can add enough really good players that we can just sit where we are and get a terrific player. IF we move up I suspect it’s later in the round where the cost is lower. But IF they LOVE a guy, they dobn’t have to move too far. 

[GreggTX]

I'd rather see them trade up from the 3rd to the 2nd, but I'm not sure. It's my understanding that this is wher the supply of guys with a very strong chance of starting runs out. Of course, there will always be some later picks and UDFA's that will be diamonds in the rough.

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I like the big catch radius on Butler. His big size and 95 inch wing span gives him ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls probably added to his grade at OBD due to Allen's known accuracy challenges. That kid had an awful QB as ISU. Didn't see much of Harmon or Hall. I think there is quality in round 2-4 at WR. I even like Stanley Morgan's kid in the later rounds as a sleeper.

This is where I’m at. I was all about Harry, then Brown, then Hall or Harmon, Then Butler.  But his wingspan thinking about everything makes me want most as far as who’s left on the board. He has the possibility to be the best WR in the draft if he works out. I like him more for potential than Metcalf. 

 

After that, Brown, Harmon, Hall, Boykin, Johnson from UB. 

[GreggTX]

16 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

could be wrong but it's all a guessing game anyway. I believe they go defense again with the 2nd pick?

 

If they do, it would likely be a CB or edge rusher. I think CB is more likely because there are more good ones left. Then again, if they have a high grade on a edge rusher that they can get before a drop off at the position, maybe they go DE and try to trade up for a guy like Sternberger.