JESSEFEFFER Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 I am new to this metric and was seeking opinions on how much insight it actually provides. There is probably some correlation between what it measures and what the "ceiling" might be for any player. It does give some rather interesting scores and relative to the positional peer groups it must mean something. Here is the link to the site which I do as an attempt to conform to rules about using other people's data: RAS Scores This format can't be sorted which is very inconvenient so I copied it to an Excel file which can be sorted. I have seen other lists which has historical scores going back fifteen or twenty years which is would be a nice way of trying to look for a correlation. 1) Highest RAS is punter Mitch Wishnowsky with a 10! If you wanted to run a fake punt he might be the man. Austrailian Rules football says hello. I'd like the Bills to fix their punting for a decade and he'd be worth a late round pick to me just to add a 3rd option to the competiton. 2) Highest QB score is...............Tyree Jackson. 3) Surprisingsly poor scores for Irv Smith, Jr who is at 4.82 and Jace Sternberger at 5.25. Most of the other top guys are much higher. FYI, Stephen Carlson from Princeton (JHS alumnus) is an 8.26 whiich is why I was even looking to find this data as I was curious how he stacked up. 4) I would assume that it would be tough for a player to really out perform this score as most ingame matchups would really favor elite athleticism . Certainly QB and all it's unmeasurable but necessary traits and maybe RB (doesn't measure contact balance or vision) are likely exceptions. 5) Anyways it does provide something extra to discuss in terms of whom the Bills might be considering and whom they actually do select. 6) Amongst the RB class, Miles Sanders is a standout but his fumbling is a problem, imo. RAS 2019 NFL.xlsx
Prickly Pete Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I am new to this metric and was seeking opinions on how much insight it actually provides. There is probably some correlation between what it measures and what the "ceiling" might be for any player. It does give some rather interesting scores and relative to the positional peer groups it must mean something. Here is the link to the site which I do as an attempt to conform to rules about using other people's data: RAS Scores This format can't be sorted which is very inconvenient so I copied it to an Excel file which can be sorted. I have seen other lists which has historical scores going back fifteen or twenty years which is would be a nice way of trying to look for a correlation. 1) Highest RAS is punter Mitch Wishnowsky with a 10! If you wanted to run a fake punt he might be the man. Austrailian Rules football says hello. I'd like the Bills to fix their punting for a decade and he'd be worth a late round pick to me just to add a 3rd option to the competiton. 2) Highest QB score is...............Tyree Jackson. 3) Surprisingsly poor scores for Irv Smith, Jr who is at 4.82 and Jace Sternberger at 5.25. Most of the other top guys are much higher. FYI, Stephen Carlson from Princeton (JHS alumnus) is an 8.26 whiich is why I was even looking to find this data as I was curious how he stacked up. 4) I would assume that it would be tough for a player to really out perform this score as most ingame matchups would really favor elite athleticism . Certainly QB and all it's unmeasurable but necessary traits and maybe RB (doesn't measure contact balance or vision) are likely exceptions. 5) Anyways it does provide something extra to discuss in terms of whom the Bills might be considering and whom they actually do select. 6) Amongst the RB class, Miles Sanders is a standout but his fumbling is a problem, imo. RAS 2019 NFL.xlsx 78.89 kB · 9 downloads Interesting that Miles Boykin is the highest ranked WR. Edited April 26, 2019 by OJ Tom
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, OJ Tom said: Interesting that Miles Boykin is the highest ranked WR. It is. I wonder what held him back at ND that is tied in to not being one of the elite of this draft. Many Bills related mock drafts have taken him quite late and if he's there in the 5th it seems like that's the type of shot you take.
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 The top of the DT group for reference: Dexter Lawrence Clemson 2019COMBINE 9.87 Ed Oliver Houston 2019COMBINE 9.87 Quinnen Williams Alabama 2019COMBINE 9.85 Renell Wren Arizona State 2019COMBINE 9.74 Jerry Tillery Notre Dame 2019COMBINE 9.72 Ray Smith Boston College 9.67 Alec Heldreth Clarion 9.57 Jalen Dalton North Carolina 9.09 Michael Dogbe Temple 9.03 Trysten Hill Central Florida 2019COMBINE 8.99 Jonathan Bonner Notre Dame 8.76 Khalen Saunders Western Illinois 2019COMBINE 8.56 Christian Wilkins Clemson 2019COMBINE 8.55
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2019 Posted April 26, 2019 Yeah I'm not sure I like teh upside of Sternberger. Knox and Oliver seem a lot more interesting. Maybe Oliver can become the new Williams?
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah I'm not sure I like teh upside of Sternberger. Knox and Oliver seem a lot more interesting. Maybe Oliver can become the new Williams? The top of the TE group down to Irv Smith, Jr. Noah Fant Iowa 2019COMBINE 9.89 Foster Moreau Louisiana State 2019COMBINE 9.48 Kahale Warring San Diego State 2019COMBINE 9.41 Dawson Knox Mississippi 2019COMBINE 9.26 T.J. Hockenson Iowa 2019COMBINE 9.21 Drew Sample Washington 2019COMBINE 9.02 Andrew Beck Texas 8.82 Jackson Harris Georgia 8.81 Alize Mack Notre Dame 2019COMBINE 8.56 Kano Dillon Oregon 8.43 Stephen Carlson Princeton 8.26 Josh Oliver San Jose State 2019COMBINE 8.21 Austin Applebee Southern California UNCONFIRMED 7.67 Isaiah Searight Fordham 7.33 Justin Johnson Mississippi State 7.12 Donald Parham Stetson 6.85 MikQuan Deane Western Kentucky 6.43 Chris Myarick Temple 5.97 C.J. Conrad Kentucky COMBINE| heart condition 5.97 Tommy Sweeney Boston College 2019COMBINE 5.91 Trevon Wesco West Virginia 2019COMBINE 5.89 Daniel Helm Duke 2019COMBINE 5.75 Caleb Wilson UCLA 2019COMBINE 5.7 Kendall Blanton Missouri 2019COMBINE 5.28 Jace Sternberger Texas A&M 2019COMBINE 5.25 Dax Raymond Utah State 2019COMBINE 5.21 Matt Sokol Michigan State 4.86 Irv Smith Jr. Alabama 2019COMBINE 4.82 1
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 26, 2019 Author Posted April 26, 2019 6 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: The top of the TE group down to Irv Smith, Jr. Noah Fant Iowa 2019COMBINE 9.89 Foster Moreau Louisiana State 2019COMBINE 9.48 Kahale Warring San Diego State 2019COMBINE 9.41 Dawson Knox Mississippi 2019COMBINE 9.26 T.J. Hockenson Iowa 2019COMBINE 9.21 Drew Sample Washington 2019COMBINE 9.02 Andrew Beck Texas 8.82 Jackson Harris Georgia 8.81 Alize Mack Notre Dame 2019COMBINE 8.56 Kano Dillon Oregon 8.43 Stephen Carlson Princeton 8.26 Josh Oliver San Jose State 2019COMBINE 8.21 Austin Applebee Southern California UNCONFIRMED 7.67 Isaiah Searight Fordham 7.33 Justin Johnson Mississippi State 7.12 Donald Parham Stetson 6.85 MikQuan Deane Western Kentucky 6.43 Chris Myarick Temple 5.97 C.J. Conrad Kentucky COMBINE| heart condition 5.97 Tommy Sweeney Boston College 2019COMBINE 5.91 Trevon Wesco West Virginia 2019COMBINE 5.89 Daniel Helm Duke 2019COMBINE 5.75 Caleb Wilson UCLA 2019COMBINE 5.7 Kendall Blanton Missouri 2019COMBINE 5.28 Jace Sternberger Texas A&M 2019COMBINE 5.25 Dax Raymond Utah State 2019COMBINE 5.21 Matt Sokol Michigan State 4.86 Irv Smith Jr. Alabama 2019COMBINE 4.82 From the information I found, the creator of this metric claims that these scores show the highest correlation to TE success. OJ Howard................. 9.8 Jimmy Graham.......... 9.6 George Kittle.............. 9.5 Travis Kelce................ 9.3 Gronk.......................... 9.3 Greg Olsen.................. 9.5 I have not watched Irv Smith highlights, but I wonder if the buzz around him is all Alabama, SEC and his NFL bloodlines. Otherwise, I'd rather pass on him and take Oliver, Warring or Knox in the 3rd or later.
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