Aussie Joe Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 I have been really keen on the Bills signing Clark but I understand why they didn’t pick him up looking at the picks given up.. So plan B - onto Ziggy for one year ?? He is not a bad player but again you have to roll the dice on him not being injured (another one!) which recent history suggests is a major risk.. Not overly keen on Sweat or Burns at 9... Maybe they take a flier in the 3rd or 4th on Joe Jackson or Maxx Crosby or Winovich and hope for the best.. Hughes might be getting that extension soon..
Mojo44 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I'm on the fence. Bills would be much better served at this point in their rebuild with an instant impact veteran pass rusher on the defensive line rather than a rookie whom in all likelihood is going to struggle and take some time to develop. The 9th overall pick is hard to give up I get it. This is not necessarily true at all and I disagree with your “all likelihood“ qualifier. If you pick an edge rusher with the ninth pick you absolutely expect some positive impact. Doesn’t have to be pro bowl level but clearly significant. Anything beyond that would be gravy. In this case, anyway, I will keep the first pick.
Lurker Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Turk71 said: two ultra-productive older players for, essentially, the price of Clark. Fixed. At 26 when training camp starts, Clark's career is still rising. Houston's definitely headed downhill and Ford at 28 years old is sure to get there more quickly than Clark...
Nester Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 Imagine if they gave up the 2020 1st round pick. wtf would we talk about next Feb -April??
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Nester said: Imagine if they gave up the 2020 1st round pick. wtf would we talk about next Feb -April?? Our first superbowl win of course!
Stank_Nasty Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, cle23 said: They got a second next year for Ford so it's basically like giving them a one this year and swapping thirds. Also, Clark has a much better NFLhistory and Ford is kind of a one-year Wonder. both of them have 10 or more sacks in 2 out of the last 3 years..... again, IMO, ford and keeping my first this year and 2nd next year is more valuable to me than clark at face value. there is obviously more underneath that surface that we don't know about.
ColoradoBills Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....now with another example of the $$$ market lines being drawn with the Clark signing, it seems to be clear what the Texans would have to come up with and it looks like their cap space is :2019-$40+ mil; 2020-$103+ mil....why would they be inclined to dump Clowney?........ They got plenty of money. So my question is why haven't they signed him to a long term contract? Their GM, HC and DC are all the same from the time they draft Clowney. If they signed him earlier last year to a long term they could of got him for less $'s. Something is peculiar about this. Maybe they just don't want him long term?
cle23 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: both of them have 10 or more sacks in 2 out of the last 3 years..... again, IMO, ford and keeping my first this year and 2nd next year is more valuable to me than clark at face value. there is obviously more underneath that surface that we don't know about. Ford has 30.5 sacks in 67 games started. Clark has 35 in 33 games started.
Turk71 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Lurker said: Fixed. At 26 when training camp starts, Clark's career is still rising. Houston's definitely headed downhill and Ford at 28 years old is sure to get there more quickly than Clark... The Chiefs got fleeced by Seattle seems to be the consensus grade for this trade.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: They don't have to by any means. Neither did Seattle have to part with Clark really. But maybe they want to try to extend DeShaun Watson long term after next season.........and in the process maybe save some significant money and distribute that cost as opposed to waiting. Let's face it............offense is the long term play in the NFL.......that's what you can keep together and build on......a top defense is hard to keep intact and consistent. Getting a stud LT for a QB with a reconstructed knee sounds good..........and the report is that they think one is there at #9. I'm not convinced there is a great LT at #9 but if they do then that's an important get for them. ...thanks for the assessment.....didn't really follow all of the details leading up to the Clark decision......uncertainty of signing tender and the Wilson booty?... Edited April 23, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy
DCbillsfan Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, MJS said: Wow. They gave up a ton. Glad the Bills didn't do that. Not to mention a big $ contract to sign Clark.
DCbillsfan Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 I find this trade rather curious. The Chiefs released Kareem Hunt last season for his alleged domestic violence videotape. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet. Then you have Tyreek Hill who is accused of breaking his son's arm. Now they traded for Clark who has his own domestic violence issues. When will the Chiefs wise up?
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Turk71 said: The Chiefs got fleeced by Seattle seems to be the consensus grade for this trade. Not really at all..... To me I would make the trade. Be like drafting Frank Clark per say. But if it was two first rounders no way. Frank Clark is a pretty good player.
JerseyBills Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Because the Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 this offseason. OHhhhhhh! Well that explains it all. Thx for the info, had no clue. Still feel they gave up a bit much
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 While i understand why chiefs did what they did, i am glad bills did not make this deal. He is apparently getting 65 million guaranteed which is more than a lot of guys get who i think are better and i will be interested to see his motivation now.
Mr. WEO Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: A great pass rush solves a lot of secondary problems... They didn't just become a great pass rush D by replacing Ford with Clark though.
Turk71 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Turk71 said: The Chiefs got fleeced by Seattle seems to be the consensus grade for this trade. 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Not really at all..... To me I would make the trade. Be like drafting Frank Clark per say. But if it was two first rounders no way. Frank Clark is a pretty good player. I am merely commenting on the consensus among analysts, sportswriters pundits etc. regarding the trade. Personally I am glad it wasn't the Bills. Hughes and Zo both graded higher than Clark on PFF for whatever its worth. Here is their top players for last season. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-top-101-players-from-the-2018-nfl-season Hughes Zo and Hyde made the list. Houston and Ford both did as well. Clark not on it.
K-9 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: I think I said exactly what I meant.... sorry it got you upset. I wasn't criticizing our top 5 GM.?? Others seem to have gotten the joke. I’ll try to dumb down my sarcasm next time.
QCity Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: The Chiefs got fleeced by Seattle seems to be the consensus grade for this trade. I'd have to agree. Clark isn't $30+M GTD plus a 1st rd pick better than Ford.
Oldfan Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: While i understand why chiefs did what they did, i am glad bills did not make this deal. He is apparently getting 65 million guaranteed which is more than a lot of guys get who i think are better and i will be interested to see his motivation now. Bills and Chiefs are in different parts of the road in the journey to the Superbowl Buffalo is still building, and holds a higher value pick than #29
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