Dkollidas Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I like him a lot. And if we were at 15-20 I’d be thrilled. I just think there’s better talent at #9 available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: He’s older and likely at or close to his ceiling. Yeah it's been said before but his production leveled off after his sophomore season............he played quite well in the playoff games when everyone was watching but it's not like he was an ascending raw prospect......... I expect that much out of an over-seasoned 23 year old college senior who is going up against 20-21 year olds. It's a concern that he didn't get notably better in his final two seasons in college. If that's all he's got than he is the type of DT that makes it to free agency..........and that's not what you look for out of round 1.........you want players you CAN'T buy in UFA.......QB, pass rusher, elite LT, CB1, WR1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I don’t think he will ever be an elite NFL tackle, but I do think he will be a solid starter for 10 years. Personally I think we need to find some elite guys and go for the Super Bowl while Allen is on his rookie contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Young man ? I think he’s older then half of our roaster on defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Hock, Dev White, or Oliver at 9. If all are off the board then trading down is not a bad move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 5 hours ago, mrags said: Don’t like any of his strengths then I guess. Strengths Locker room leader with character that is off the charts Face of the franchise personality Experience as base end and defensive tackle Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact Highly efficient in his movement Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps Can contort and slither around blocker's pads Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles Short area agility of a linebacker Active to improve rush positioning Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls Batted down 15 passes during career That was only fair..... Both sides. We need to look at the full picture. (And I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I’d be concerned at 9.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Dexter Lawrence is a better player he's 340 and ran as fast at the combine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 There may be more disruptive defensive linemen available when Buffalo is picking. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he is Buffalo's pick. I just don't think he is the most likely choice at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Cuz Shaq Lawson and Sammy Watkins has put the taste after you throw up in my mouth with players from Clemson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, McBean said: Cuz Shaq Lawson and Sammy Watkins has put the taste after you throw up in my mouth with players from Clemson There was a saying back in my lending days along the lines of “because you had to repo a blue Chevy does not mean you shouldn’t lend on Chevy’s, or anything blue”. True in lending, true in drafting. Every deal is a NEW deal, but in this case, I do have reservations at 9. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Augie said: That was only fair..... Both sides. We need to look at the full picture. (And I don’t pretend to know the answer, but I’d be concerned at 9.) So you should be concerned with Ed Oliver at 9 as well because he has weaknesses? Strengths Elite athlete with high-end foot quickness, agility and fluidity Built low and plays with leverage on his side As twitchy and sudden as any interior lineman you will see Freak-daddy workouts expected for quickness and explosion testing Explodes into blockers with jarring pop for early advantages Instinctive and early play diagnosis Rare initial quickness to disrupt in gaps Posted 53 tackles for loss in just three years Direct, inside hands and plays under opponent's pads Linebacker speed for extended range to tackle Plays with consistent motor and overall hustle Works to half-man in his rush Tilts blocker with jab step before hitting slap-rip counter to opposite edge Body control for efficient, edge to edge counters Pairs spin counter with athletic ability to eat as secondary rusher Weaknesses Squatty, unimposing frame falls below NFL size norms inside Scouts say he played under 280 pounds Lacks functional length Gets mauled by down blocks and double teams Struggles at times when offenses run downhill at him Gets clogged up against wide-bodies Unable to sustain early jolts into extended power Backdoors blocks in lateral pursuit rather than winning across the face Forced to work excessively at disengaging from blocks Failed to convert explosiveness into impressive sack totals Rush attack is more predictable than diverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Burden of proof is on you, not the board. Just like in a criminal trial, the burden of proof is on those who bring the charge. You brought the charge, how about you offer something more tangible than "high quality" and "young." Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mrags said: So you should be concerned with Ed Oliver at 9 as well because he has weaknesses? Strengths Elite athlete with high-end foot quickness, agility and fluidity Built low and plays with leverage on his side As twitchy and sudden as any interior lineman you will see Freak-daddy workouts expected for quickness and explosion testing Explodes into blockers with jarring pop for early advantages Instinctive and early play diagnosis Rare initial quickness to disrupt in gaps Posted 53 tackles for loss in just three years Direct, inside hands and plays under opponent's pads Linebacker speed for extended range to tackle Plays with consistent motor and overall hustle Works to half-man in his rush Tilts blocker with jab step before hitting slap-rip counter to opposite edge Body control for efficient, edge to edge counters Pairs spin counter with athletic ability to eat as secondary rusher Weaknesses Squatty, unimposing frame falls below NFL size norms inside Scouts say he played under 280 pounds Lacks functional length Gets mauled by down blocks and double teams Struggles at times when offenses run downhill at him Gets clogged up against wide-bodies Unable to sustain early jolts into extended power Backdoors blocks in lateral pursuit rather than winning across the face Forced to work excessively at disengaging from blocks Failed to convert explosiveness into impressive sack totals Rush attack is more predictable than diverse I think we may have a misunderstanding. I was just saying I like the balanced approach. If you give only the pros, or the cons, it’s a false picture. I know the post was a response to the question “why not”, so it kind of gives a pass to the negatives, but the full picture is what counts. Personally, I prefer Oliver, but I don’t get a vote and can’t control the draft. Edited April 21, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Augie said: I think we may have a misunderstanding. I was just saying I like the balanced approach. If you give only the pros, or the cons, it’s a false picture. I know the post was a response to the question “why not”, so it kind of gives a pass to the negatives, but the full picture is what counts. Personally, I prefer Oliver, but I don’t get a vote and can’t control the draft. My misunderstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted April 21, 2019 Author Share Posted April 21, 2019 8 hours ago, zonabb said: Burden of proof is on you, not the board. Just like in a criminal trial, the burden of proof is on those who bring the charge. You brought the charge, how about you offer something more tangible than "high quality" and "young." Good lord. This isn’t a criminal case!!! good lord is right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Rufridr101 said: Dexter Lawrence is a better player he's 340 and ran as fast at the combine Love Lawrence, would have no gripes with trading up into the end of the first round to snag him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Me too! It's absolutely one of the moves I would make and would easily make Star L. expendable sooner rather than later. Not that money is currently an issue just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Me too! It's absolutely one of the moves I would make and would easily make Star L. expendable sooner rather than later. Not that money is currently an issue just sayin. Star isn’t going anywhere. He has no trade value and his contract makes it stupid to cut him. Edited April 21, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 21 hours ago, Lurker said: Weaknesses Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues Overall play strength can improve Not enough extension/separation after initial punch Thick lower half missing quality anchor Struggles with contact balance on down blocks Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him Offensive linemen with length can bother him Lacks length to pry off blocks Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush Scheme dependent This entire writeup of his weaknesses is dependent on the type of defense you run. Most of the defenses they're talking about with length and 2gap and strength won't matter because we don't play in a 34 or in a 2gap system. For the Bills he'd be an inside pass rusher. The only things that matter in this entire writeup are down blocks and reach blocks. The rest is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: This entire writeup of his weaknesses is dependent on the type of defense you run. Most of the defenses they're talking about with length and 2gap and strength won't matter because we don't play in a 34 or in a 2gap system. For the Bills he'd be an inside pass rusher. The only things that matter in this entire writeup are down blocks and reach blocks. The rest is irrelevant. A #9 DT has to be more than a one-trick pony. IMO, he'd be a liability on the inside running game with his lack of strength/anchor. Shooting gaps looks great...unless it's the wrong gap and you get gashed up the middle, which has been a problem for this team for far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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