Bakin Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... 2
DCbillsfan Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) I'm not against taking him but it would be considered a reach at 9. He's considered a mid to late 1st rounder Edited April 20, 2019 by DCbillsfan 1
Bangarang Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 He’s older and likely at or close to his ceiling. 2
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 He is one of the safest picks in the draft and a top 15 player in this class. But there will be better players there at #9. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:02 PM, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Expand ...just a speculative, generic hunch.....but see McBeane trading down into the later teens+ to gain an additional 2nd...and then packaging up multiple lower picks to perhaps move into 3rd or 4th (something like that)...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:11 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...just a speculative, generic hunch.....but see McBeane trading down into the later teens+ to gain an additional 2nd...and then packaging up multiple lower picks to perhaps move into 3rd or 4th (something like that)... Expand Nope. He is going for superstuds with the first two picks and high ceiling OL, TE, RB WR after that.
Lurker Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 Weaknesses Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues Overall play strength can improve Not enough extension/separation after initial punch Thick lower half missing quality anchor Struggles with contact balance on down blocks Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him Offensive linemen with length can bother him Lacks length to pry off blocks Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush Scheme dependent
TAinLack. Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 As a DT from Clemson, he has played against some very good competition. I feel, like many, he may be a reach at 9 - but I will "trust the process". 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:14 PM, maryland-bills-fan said: Nope. He is going for superstuds with the first two picks and high ceiling OL, TE, RB WR after that. Expand ....this dude is shrewd......gotta love it...check?...call?...all in?.........
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:02 PM, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Expand Inconsistent. Reminds me of Nkemdiche. Lacks speed. This is not to say I dislike the man - but you were asking only for reasons why not to take him at 9. 1
TPS Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:02 PM, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Expand As I posted in another thread, this wouldn't surprise me. He is #7 in Jeremiah's top 50 list.
mrags Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 He should. He’s 100% a McDermott kind of guy and he’s a beast on the football field. Should probably trade back between 12-18 and pick up extra picks though if he’s your guy. He could go early because there will be a run in DTs early. But he should be there in the teens. Imo he might be the best one of the draft. Him or Lawrence. But I haven’t watched enough lawrence yet. 2
LSHMEAB Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) He's not a true difference maker and that's what I'm looking for at 9. Also, if you factor in need, the Bills already have a space eater. They need more of a dynamic playmaker along the defensive line. He's a good player. Not particularly interested. Edited April 20, 2019 by LSHMEAB 2
Just Joshin' Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:02 PM, Bakin said: Tell me why this high quality young man SHOULD NOT be our pick at 9..... Expand Is he one of the top 9 talents? IMO not quite. Please explain why you think he should be the pick at 9.
mrags Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:16 PM, Lurker said: Weaknesses Initial quickness gives way to fatigue as rep continues Overall play strength can improve Not enough extension/separation after initial punch Thick lower half missing quality anchor Struggles with contact balance on down blocks Lacks length and power to excel in two-gap scheme Folded and collapsed when facing powerful double teams Can do a better job of defeating reach blocks against him Offensive linemen with length can bother him Lacks length to pry off blocks Average strength in playing through redirect blocks in pass rush Scheme dependent Expand Don’t like any of his strengths then I guess. Strengths Locker room leader with character that is off the charts Face of the franchise personality Experience as base end and defensive tackle Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact Highly efficient in his movement Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps Can contort and slither around blocker's pads Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles Short area agility of a linebacker Active to improve rush positioning Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls Batted down 15 passes during career
Bakin Posted April 20, 2019 Author Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) On 4/20/2019 at 6:08 PM, Just Joshin' said: Is he one of the top 9 talents? IMO not quite. Please explain why you think he should be the pick at 9. Expand I see him as a great replacement for Kyle. Step right into some big shoes to fill - with some big shoes. Very talented kid from NorthEast (Mass). Played against (and was superior to) the most elite college competition. High character locker room leader. Yes he seems to be going later than 9 in most mocks but talent wise he’s not that far off. Edited April 20, 2019 by Bakin 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 Very good player, great character guy and absolutely seems like a process- type presence that McD covets. However, I don’t see much evidence that the Bills have shown interest with visits whether private or combine meetings etc. pretty much off their radar screen as far as I can tell. 9th overall is probably too high, but he will be gone by their second round selection.
Bangarang Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 6:09 PM, mrags said: Don’t like any of his strengths then I guess. Strengths Locker room leader with character that is off the charts Face of the franchise personality Experience as base end and defensive tackle Instant snap reaction with fast hands into contact Highly efficient in his movement Stays under opponent's pads throughout the rep Lateral quickness to disrupt in gaps Can contort and slither around blocker's pads Rare flexibility creates functional balance at awkward angles Short area agility of a linebacker Active to improve rush positioning Shifts hips for optimal cornering inside the pocket Can drop into space on zone-blitz calls Batted down 15 passes during career Expand That wasn’t the point of this thread..
The Firebaugh Kid Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 I fully expect Wilkins to be a bill if we miss out on Oliver 1
OldTimer1960 Posted April 20, 2019 Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/20/2019 at 5:34 PM, IgotBILLStopay said: Inconsistent. Reminds me of Nkemdiche. Lacks speed. This is not to say I dislike the man - but you were asking only for reasons why not to take him at 9. Expand In terms of work ethic, effort and character he is the polar opposite of Nkemdiche. 1
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