Mike in Horseheads Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...appreciate the insight and response bud.....here's a list of shorter NFL QB's as is the Murray kid...interesting... The NFL’s Best Short Quarterbacks of All Time By Dan Pompei The list of great short quarterbacks is, well, a short one. I defined “short” as 6-0 or shorter. I did not include quarterbacks o played before the 1960s because the game has changed so much since then. There were many great short quarterbacks pre-1960, including hall of famers Dutch Clark, Paddy Driscoll, Benny Friedman, Arnie Herber, Sid Luckman and Ace Parker. With that being said, here are my best short quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era. Who would you add to the list? 1. Fran Tarkenton, 6-0. This hall of famer was voted to nine Pro Bowls, played in three Super Bowls and is a former MVP. When he retired, he had every significant passing record. He won 124 games, which is tied for fifth most in NFL history even though he played the bulk of his career when the season was shorter than it is today. With his mobility, “The Mad Scrambler” probably would have fit in well in today’s game. 2. Sonny Jurgensen, 5-11. This great former Eagle and Redskin won three passing titles on his way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, including one at the age of 40. Some thought he was the best passer of his era. 3. Drew Brees, 6-0. A six-time Pro Bowler, an offensive player of the year, a Super Bowl MVP and a comeback player of the year, Brees will likely be a first ballot hall of famer when he hangs up his cleats. His lack of height in the era of massive lineman means he needs to have a great idea of where the receivers and defensive backs are, even with obscured vision. 4. Russell Wilson, 5-11. The Seahawks signal caller has helped change the idea of what it means to be a quarterback in the NFL. He’s good from the pocket but his best strength comes from his elusiveness and making throws on the run. He was named to the Pro Bowl in four of his six seasons and led Seattle to one of the most lopsided Super Bowl victories when the Seahawks topped the Broncos 43-8 in Super Bowl XLVIII (48). 5. Len Dawson, 6-0. The MVP of Super Bowl IV and a hall of famer, Dawson was known for his accuracy and poise. He struggled early in his career with the Steelers and Browns before his career took off with the Dallas Texans, and then the Chiefs. 6. Joe Theismann, 6-0. He was NFL MVP in 1983, made it to two Pro Bowls and helped Joe Gibbs win a Super Bowl. He went 77-47 as a starter. Theismann was an athletic quarterback who could avoid pressure, but he wasn’t athletic enough to avoid Lawrence Taylor on the play that ended his career. (I’m not linking the play because everyone who has seen it has it permanently scarred in their memory.) 7. Michael Vick, 6-0. We think of Michael Vick as many things, but rarely do we think of him as a short quarterback. But he is. Vick gets away with being short because he is the greatest running quarterback ever. He has been invited to four Pro Bowls and won the NFL comeback player of the year award in 2010. 8. Eddie LeBaron, 5-7. The Little General is in the Redskins ring of fame and made it to four Pro Bowls. The Redskins listed him at 5-9, but LaBaron has fessed up to being 5-7. He was unprotected by the Redskins in the expansion draft in 1960, and the Cowboys claimed him, making him their first ever quarterback. The veteran of the Korean War never had a winning season, and he threw 37 more interceptions than touchdowns in his career. 9. Billy Kilmer, 6-0. He backed up both Jurgesen and Theisman at different points, but started 124 games himself and made it to the Pro Bowl in 1972. He is in the Redskins ring of honor. 10. Doug Flutie, 5-10. Flutie was a great college player, a great Canadian player, but an uneven NFL player. He had his moments over 12 NFL seasons for four teams (five if you count the Patriots twice), winning comeback player of the year and making the Pro Bowl in 1998, and winning 70 percent of his starts for the Bills over three years. His record as an NFL starter was 37-28, but he was 0-2 in the postseason. Flutie had exceptional movement skills, and ran for 1,634 yards in his career. Wheres Tyrod LOL
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Wheres Tyrod LOL ....with the Chargers?...........
eball Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 Great writeup, Gunner...the best thing I can say is I'm so glad the Bills don't have to worry about it this year! I couldn't agree more with respect to Daniel Jones. It has shocked me that he has been mentioned as a possible 1st round draft choice.
#34fan Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 Sorry Bill, but I Just slid all my chips to Tyree Jackson... Been headed that way for a while... I think he has the tools to accomplish the most of any QB in this draft. Put him with the right team (Tampa) with the right HC (Arians), and you can ****ing forget about it... There's just too much evidence that he's the real deal... N.O. would also be a nice spot for him to groom behind Brees, but truth be told, the kid needs minimal grooming... This is a touchdown machine waiting for a team with vision to see the possibilities.
GunnerBill Posted April 21, 2019 Author Posted April 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, #34fan said: Sorry Bill, but I Just slid all my chips to Tyree Jackson... Been headed that way for a while... I think he has the tools to accomplish the most of any QB in this draft. Put him with the right team (Tampa) with the right HC (Arians), and you can ****ing forget about it... There's just too much evidence that he's the real deal... N.O. would also be a nice spot for him to groom behind Brees, but truth be told, the kid needs minimal grooming... This is a touchdown machine waiting for a team with vision to see the possibilities. I am not surprised given the QBs that you have liked in the past that you like Jackson. I don't hate him... but I disagree on the grooming. He needs a lot. He seems to have risen in the process and might go 4th or 5th round possibly even as the 5th QB off the board. To me he is a lottery ticket and a guy you throw a late pick at.
#34fan Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I disagree on the grooming. He needs a lot. Tyree is just too big to really pattern his game off anyone currently playing. I know he's a huge Favre fan, but he's going to need to improve on his own strengths rather than patterning his game off anyone else's... Tyree makes a lot of NFL throws... Throws you simply can't make unless you know what you're doing... The right system is absolutely essential, but I think he wrestles the ball away from any shaky starter at QB.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 QB is the most important position. While OP’s evals are good in content, the draft grade assigned is too low in every case.
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