Doc Brown Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Magox said: Everyone should know by now that he only says things that attempt to shed him in a good light. His words are almost meaningless, which is why the thought that he attempted to obstruct justice or collude with Russians in plain sight is ridiculous. It merely was the rantings of man who will say anything to gain public support. I just point it out because there's posters on here who have stated that Trump is a constitutionalist who just wants to turn the balance of power back to the legislative branch like it once was. It was brought up when he ended the CSR payments to insurance companies under the ACA. Even though the decision ended up costing the federal government more money driving the debt up even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, Magox said: Everyone should know by now that he only says things that attempt to shed him in a good light. His words are almost meaningless, which is why the thought that he attempted to obstruct justice or collude with Russians in plain sight is ridiculous. It merely was the rantings of man who will say anything to gain public support. 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I just point it out because there's posters on here who have stated that Trump is a constitutionalist who just wants to turn the balance of power back to the legislative branch like it once was. It was brought up when he ended the CSR payments to insurance companies under the ACA. Even though the decision ended up costing the federal government more money driving the debt up even more. Trump at his core is Democrat or at best a Big Government Republican Democrats could have had two years of a somewhat sympathetic Republican to work with. Instead they went BSC with the TDS and turned what could have been willing partner into an adversary who has taken positions that he may not have taken otherwise out of spite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I just point it out because there's posters on here who have stated that Trump is a constitutionalist who just wants to turn the balance of power back to the legislative branch like it once was. It was brought up when he ended the CSR payments to insurance companies under the ACA. Even though the decision ended up costing the federal government more money driving the debt up even more. Constitutionalist?? Did someone really say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Trump at his core is Democrat or at best a Big Government Republican Democrats could have had two years of a somewhat sympathetic Republican to work with. Instead they went BSC with the TDS and turned what could have been willing partner into an adversary who has taken positions that he may not have taken otherwise out of spite More like an amalgamation of conservatism, liberalism, nationalism, whatever will benefitism. If there is anything that he truly believes in other than himself it could be crony like capitalism and protecting U.S trade. Aside from that, he just goes where he can get support. With that said, his instincts of what the Republican base wants is uncanny, he truly has a great feel for what gets them going and he knows how to deliver it in a manner that viscerally connects with the base. Lots of his policies have been crafted by establishment and talk radio sort of conservatives. They have guided him but it has been his instincts and ultimately his decisions that have led him to where he is, which is the president of the most powerful country in the world presiding over a pretty terrific economy. So it's hardly a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Trump at his core is Democrat or at best a Big Government Republican Democrats could have had two years of a somewhat sympathetic Republican to work with. Instead they went BSC with the TDS and turned what could have been willing partner into an adversary who has taken positions that he may not have taken otherwise out of spite If they worked with Trump most would be primaried and reelection is all they care about. Trump also has surrounded himself with very conservative advisers formally (Mulvaney, Pence, Miller, Pompeo) and informally (Hannity, Limbaugh, Gingrich) who would likely talk him out of any bipartisan compromise on issues like immigration or health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 pragmatism what we all live our lives by if we have a job and responsibilities more than screaming at the sky all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 .........they are truly addicted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 the Report saying there is nothing worth pursuing makes it obvious there is so much more to arrest Trump for 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: the Report saying there is nothing worth pursuing makes it obvious there is so much more to arrest Trump for Of course. Because it's obvious he obstructed justice by interfering in the investigation to force Mueller to report there's nothing worth pursuing, when Adam Schiff has undisclosed concrete evidence that there was something worth pursuing... I wish they'd just shout "But there's consensus!" and stop pretending they're rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Of course. Because it's obvious he obstructed justice by interfering in the investigation to force Mueller to report there's nothing worth pursuing, when Adam Schiff has undisclosed concrete evidence that there was something worth pursuing... I wish they'd just shout "But there's consensus!" and stop pretending they're rational. so then how do these people go home and believe their spouse and kids when they say they love them? some heavy duty game playing going on in their skulls. better to have a worldview that tries to be consistent on evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'm absolutely ok with the perception that the/A president had the balls to say "***** off" repeatedly, and with malice, to his enemies and to enemies of the state who set up a scheme that put him at personal and political risk. I'm ok with future actions that are lawful in thought/word/deed that serve to protect his presidency and hamstring his enemies. I also support the declassification of material harmful to the democrats, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe etc for both transparency and the greater good of all Americans. The answer to your question, btw, is that the opposition party will "check" the president moving forward, with a demonstrated willingness to say, do or support anything real or imagined that achieves their goal of annihilation of the man and his agenda. Len.....Lenny.... Lenny Slimfast....no, no, no. Lenny doesn't get it this time. That is my point, in this toxic environment and with the Republican enablers in the Senate, there is currently insufficient check on this president. Ignoring the individuals currently in the offices, do you think that Congress should have any oversight of the Executive branch, aside from impeachment? In other words, should Congress be able to look into possible misdeeds of the President? Subpoena witnesses or documents? No? Ok, thanks. We are done discussing this. Enjoy the kingdom. The king appreciates your support. Yes? Ok, thanks. So if they have oversight duty, how can they do that job if Trump has decided that the Executive branch no longer has to comply with Congressional requests? I understand most everyone is sick of investigations after the Mueller report, but to say you support no oversight will effectively lead to King Donnie. Also, of course after Donnie dies and Ivanka tires of the job, you will desire no check on future Democratic presidents, right? Edited April 25, 2019 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said: Len.....Lenny.... Lenny Slimfast....no, no, no. Lenny doesn't get it this time. That is my point, in this toxic environment and with the Republican enablers in the Senate, there is currently insufficient check on this president. Ignoring the individuals currently in the offices, do you think that Congress should have any oversight of the Executive branch, aside from impeachment? In other words, should Congress be able to look into possible misdeeds of the President? Subpoena witnesses or documents? No? Ok, thanks. We are done discussing this. Enjoy the kingdom. The king appreciates your support. Yes? Ok, thanks. So if they have oversight duty, how can they do that job if Trump has decided that the Executive branch no longer has to comply with Congressional requests? I understand most everyone is sick of investigations after the Mueller report, but to say you support no oversight will effectively lead to King Donnie. Also, of course after Donnie dies and Ivanka tires of the job, you will desire no check on future Democratic presidents, right? "Trump has decided." Again, no different than Obama's exercise of executive privilege. Which was little different from Bush's. And I doubt Bush started the precedent. At worst, Trump is just furthering the erosion that started decades ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Len.....Lenny.... Lenny Slimfast....no, no, no. Lenny doesn't get it this time. That is my point, in this toxic environment and with the Republican enablers in the Senate, there is currently insufficient check on this president. How DARE the illegal coup fail! 5 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Ignoring the individuals currently in the offices, do you think that Congress should have any oversight of the Executive branch, aside from impeachment? In other words, should Congress be able to look into possible misdeeds of the President? Subpoena witnesses or documents? No? Ok, thanks. We are done discussing this. Enjoy the kingdom. The king appreciates your support. Ironically, I don't recall you being this upset about Eric Holder withholding documents on Fast and Furious for years... could your anger not be principled but based solely in partisanship? Yessir! So maybe you should be the one to ***** off. https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2013/04/eric-holder-im-still-the-presidents-wingman-160861 Holder, who's been held in contempt the House of Representatives and has been the focus of numerous Republican-led Congressional investigations, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Len.....Lenny.... Lenny Slimfast....no, no, no. Lenny doesn't get it this time. That is my point, in this toxic environment and with the Republican enablers in the Senate, there is currently insufficient check on this president. Ignoring the individuals currently in the offices, do you think that Congress should have any oversight of the Executive branch, aside from impeachment? In other words, should Congress be able to look into possible misdeeds of the President? Subpoena witnesses or documents? No? Ok, thanks. We are done discussing this. Enjoy the kingdom. The king appreciates your support. Yes? Ok, thanks. So if they have oversight duty, how can they do that job if Trump has decided that the Executive branch no longer has to comply with Congressional requests? I understand most everyone is sick of investigations after the Mueller report, but to say you support no oversight will effectively lead to King Donnie. Also, of course after Donnie dies and Ivanka tires of the job, you will desire no check on future Democratic presidents, right? This is a very stupid post. No, Congress does not enjoy a supervisory role over the Executive Branch. The Constitution lays out, in painstaking detail, the prescribed role of each branch of government. No, President Trump has not overstepped the modern boundaries of his office, but rather has shrunk the purview of the Executive Branch by drastically reducing the regulatory state, and enforcing the law as written placing the onus back on Congress to legislate. No, it is not acceptable in a free society purporting to operate on democratic principals for investigative or legislative bodies to use the powers of government to open investigations into individuals, sans evidence, in search of possible crimes. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a very stupid post. No, Congress does not enjoy a supervisory role over the Executive Branch. The Constitution lays out, in painstaking detail, the prescribed role of each branch of government. No, President Trump has not overstepped the modern boundaries of his office, but rather has shrunk the purview of the Executive Branch by drastically reducing the regulatory state, and enforcing the law as written placing the onus back on Congress to legislate. No, it is not acceptable in a free society purporting to operate on democratic principals for investigative or legislative bodies to use the powers of government to open investigations into individuals, sans evidence, in search of possible crimes. That might be a primary source of the Congress critters’ contempt for President Trump. He has the temerity to make THEM actually have to do their jobs. That’s something that by in large they’ve shied away from for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said: Len.....Lenny.... Lenny Slimfast....no, no, no. Lenny doesn't get it this time. That is my point, in this toxic environment and with the Republican enablers in the Senate, there is currently insufficient check on this president. Ignoring the individuals currently in the offices, do you think that Congress should have any oversight of the Executive branch, aside from impeachment? In other words, should Congress be able to look into possible misdeeds of the President? Subpoena witnesses or documents? No? Ok, thanks. We are done discussing this. Enjoy the kingdom. The king appreciates your support. Yes? Ok, thanks. So if they have oversight duty, how can they do that job if Trump has decided that the Executive branch no longer has to comply with Congressional requests? I understand most everyone is sick of investigations after the Mueller report, but to say you support no oversight will effectively lead to King Donnie. Also, of course after Donnie dies and Ivanka tires of the job, you will desire no check on future Democratic presidents, right? So, as often happens with me, when I get worked up and frustrated, I have to step back, smoke a couple camels and have a glass of scotch. Or, I would if i was a camel killer and drank scotch. Anyway, to the broad point, of course lawful and reasonable oversight is lawful, reasonable and necessary. We can agree on that and simply move on.... Except...the fact that you personally have decided this moment in time, with this president is the one that finally leads to a monarchy. It's the classic "But I don't want to talk about what he did.." or "Hillary Clinton isn't the president" or for all the Comey fans out there..."spying ain't spying, we're just hanging out in the cargo van with the state of the art parabolic microphone pointed at the trump guy!". A more reasonable approach for seekers of truth would be to investigate why and how the intelligence community missed so badly when trying trump to criminality and Russia. Gross incompetence at best, but it was far worse than that. Given where we are now, and knowing the approach the enemies at the gate will employ (complete destruction of trump and anyone in their way), I support the admin employing every sensible and legal tactic to carry the day. Now let's go get a g-d snack. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 ANOTHER ‘NON-PARTISAN’ LIBERAL DARK MONEY GROUP EXPOSED: Joe Schoffstall is a smart, young investigative journalist worth following closely. Today he shines light on the lefty Trump impeachment activity of the Six Thirty Fund. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a very stupid post. No, Congress does not enjoy a supervisory role over the Executive Branch. The Constitution lays out, in painstaking detail, the prescribed role of each branch of government. No, President Trump has not overstepped the modern boundaries of his office, but rather has shrunk the purview of the Executive Branch by drastically reducing the regulatory state, and enforcing the law as written placing the onus back on Congress to legislate. No, it is not acceptable in a free society purporting to operate on democratic principals for investigative or legislative bodies to use the powers of government to open investigations into individuals, sans evidence, in search of possible crimes. This is a stupid post . Full stop! This is shocking since you are the smartest guy here, even if only self proclaimed. Sheeesh....still unbelievable! Sans Evidence????!!! Seriously? This is the root of your stupid I think. A stretch perhaps but if capable, try to imagine President Hillary....if there were similar questions about her charity, taxes, businesses, bank loans, etc, etc, would you want Congress to investigate ? In general terms, Congressional oversight is oversight by the United States Congress over the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight includes the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation.[1] Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. Oversight also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff. Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: This is a stupid post . Full stop! This is shocking since you are the smartest guy here, even if only self proclaimed. Sheeesh....still unbelievable! Sans Evidence????!!! Seriously? This is the root of your stupid I think. A stretch perhaps but if capable, try to imagine President Hillary....if there were similar questions about her charity, taxes, businesses, bank loans, etc, etc, would you want Congress to investigate ? In general terms, Congressional oversight is oversight by the United States Congress over the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight includes the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation.[1] Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. Oversight also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff. Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances. On June 28, 2012, Holder became the first U.S. Attorney General in history to be held in both criminal and civil contempt. He was held, by a bipartisan vote, in contempt by the House of Representatives in a 255–67 vote, with 17 Democrats voting for the measure, 2 Republicans voting against the measure. Quick! Find all the outraged posts made by Bob in 2012! He must have been furious about this kind of offense! Oh... wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: This is a stupid post . Full stop! This is shocking since you are the smartest guy here, even if only self proclaimed. Sheeesh....still unbelievable! Sans Evidence????!!! Seriously? This is the root of your stupid I think. A stretch perhaps but if capable, try to imagine President Hillary....if there were similar questions about her charity, taxes, businesses, bank loans, etc, etc, would you want Congress to investigate ? In general terms, Congressional oversight is oversight by the United States Congress over the Executive Branch, including the numerous U.S. federal agencies. Congressional oversight includes the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation.[1] Congress exercises this power largely through its congressional committee system. Oversight also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff. Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances. So Bob, you're for double jeopardy? Making Congress a new criminal branch of the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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