Oh Gettleman

[Magox]

I will say this, and this is not a defense of their selection of Daniel Jones but if you believe that you have found what could be your franchise QB, no matter what the "value" charts say, you got and get him.    So in that regards, picking a QB that many analysts view as a reach and sticking to your convictions is the right move.   Again, this is not a defense of the selection of Daniel Jones, but a defense of the philosophy of getting the QB your organization has pegged as the best available franchise QB.

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Both are right-handed.

I'm just extremely confounded by that pick. From what I saw of Jones, he doesn't have a GREAT arm, he's not particularly accurate, and also not REALLY mobile.

 

The accuracy issue really stands out for me. If you're big and fast(Josh Allen, Newton), you have a chance to get away with it because of physical blessings. 

 

I don't see how Jones has that same margin for error when he wasn't born with those gifts.

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Even if Jones plays well in the NFL, this pick will have lost value because he easily could have had an elite D prospect and still got Jones later...or Haskins...or Lock.  

 

 

Devil's Advocate for a second:  I never would have drafted Jones in round 1, but I don't necessarily agree that taking him at 6 instead of 17 is such a big deal.  Josh Allen was the obvious alternative at 6, but is it really such a slam dunk that he will be better than Dexter Lawrence, who they got at 17?  And maybe Lawrence is a better scheme fit for the Giants' D.  The bottom line is, if Jones stinks, it won't much matter if he was picked at 17 or 6.

[C.Biscuit97]

20 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Not defending Gettleman, but he drafted a QB with at least some superficial resemblance to Cam Newton, whom he drafted for the Panthers.  It is a high risk pick.  I imagine the plan is to play Eli this year and groom Jones for the future.  His protege, Brandon Beane also drafted a QB with some superficial resemblance to Cam Newton.  It's not a done deal, but Allen shows some signs that he may develop into a fine NFL QB.  I think if I were a Giants fan, my main complaint is that  he could have gotten Daniel Jones later in round 1. He maybe could have tried to trade down from 6 overall, or taken a player with more potential for immediate impact at 6 and then traded up a bit from his second first rounder.  There are those GMs whose philosophy is if you like a player a great deal, you get him when you can.

I actually see your point on this.  It seems like our guys and Gettleman all want a qb who is like Newton.  In fact, Jones’ scouting report sounded like Allen’s - athletic, great size, not amazing production which some blamed on the team around him.  That said, as many questions as I had about Allen, he was a top 10 pick on nearly everyone’s board.  The Giants could have waited a lot long to get Jones.  If they got josh Allen 2.0 and then got Jones later, people would feel a lot better about the pick.  

4 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said:

 

I saw this last night.  I think Gettleman thought he was a Manning brother so he might be good. 

[Just Joshin']

Would you rather have Barkley/Jones or 2018 QB/2019 Defensive high pick?

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Even if Jones plays well in the NFL, this pick will have lost value because he easily could have had an elite D prospect and still got Jones later...or Haskins...or Lock.  

 

I am a big believer of taking control and drafting the QB you believe in early. If you have two first round picks, regardless of where they are, you take the QB with the first one and the BPA with the second. Cleveland and Buffalo are perfect examples of this last year. Also, I think you need to either trade up for the QB or have an early enough pick like the Giants did that you are confident you will get your QB. I actually don't really like what Washington did. How much are they really all in and believe in Haskins if they were willing to just sit back at 16 and let him fall to them? It is similar to when we traded back in 2013 from 8 to 16 to draft EJ. Clear sign that we don't actually value the QB highly if we are willing to risk losing him.

 

Haskins and Lock could have been available or available still in Lock's case for a reason. Time will tell.

6 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Would you rather have Barkley/Jones or 2018 QB/2019 Defensive high pick?

 

 

 

Way too early to know. It basically depends on what Allen or Darnold develop into. I wonder how the Giants board ranked Allen and Darnold. I think we have all assumed Darnold 1 and Allen 2 but with Jones being a similar big and mobile QB maybe they had Allen over Darnold?

[Big C]

8 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Would you rather have Barkley/Jones or 2018 QB/2019 Defensive high pick?

 

 

 

Warren Sharp put it like this:

 

Door 1: Sam Darnold/OBJ/Josh Allen

 

Door 2: Daniel Jones/Saquon Barkley/Dexter Lawrence

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, Magox said:

I will say this, and this is not a defense of their selection of Daniel Jones but if you believe that you have found what could be your franchise QB, no matter what the "value" charts say, you got and get him.    So in that regards, picking a QB that many analysts view as a reach and sticking to your convictions is the right move.   Again, this is not a defense of the selection of Daniel Jones, but a defense of the philosophy of getting the QB your organization has pegged as the best available franchise QB.

 

Exactly. I prefer this method over the Skins letting Haskins fall to them to 16. Or the Bills trading back to get EJ at 16. 

23 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm just extremely confounded by that pick. From what I saw of Jones, he doesn't have a GREAT arm, he's not particularly accurate, and also not REALLY mobile.

 

The accuracy issue really stands out for me. If you're big and fast(Josh Allen, Newton), you have a chance to get away with it because of physical blessings. 

 

I don't see how Jones has that same margin for error when he wasn't born with those gifts.

 

I don't know much about him either.

 

Is he more similar to Turbitzky in terms of mobility?

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Exactly. I prefer this method over the Skins letting Haskins fall to them to 16. Or the Bills trading back to get EJ at 16. 

 

I don't know much about him either.

 

Is he more similar to Turbitzky in terms of mobility?

They actually ran the EXACT same 40 time, which is kind of odd. 4.67. It's not that Jones is immobile; it's that he doesn't really do anything exceptionally well. I'm not a huge Trubisky fan, but there's never been any questions about arm strength. A guy like Jones (IMO) is only a first round pick if he's super accurate. That's not the case. Time will tell, but I just don't see it. Glad it's the Giants problem and not ours.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

They actually ran the EXACT same 40 time, which is kind of odd. 4.67. It's not that Jones is immobile; it's that he doesn't really do anything exceptionally well. 

 

And straight 40 times don't necessarily tell us how well of a runner they will be. Josh's time was almost a .10 slower but he is far more mobile on the field then guys like Watson and Turbitzky with faster times. Other factors contribute to being a good running QB, vision, timing, agility, size etc.

[YoloinOhio]

I’m 100% sure Beane was the one actually running the Panthers when this man was the GM

 

 

[DCbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Would you rather have Barkley/Jones or 2018 QB/2019 Defensive high pick?

 

 

I'd rather have either Darnold/Josh Allen along with OBJ and either Josh Allen Edge or Ed Oliver as opposed to Jones/Barkley/Lawrence.

 

Really starting to believe that Beane made Gettleman look good down in Carolina. 

[Warcodered]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m 100% sure Beane was the one actually running the Panthers when this man was the GM

 

 

"Tell me what I should of done last year, oh I'll get you a Quarterback *repeated cackling*"

[YoloinOhio]

“Who knows? I might go out there in my car and get hit. You don’t know, Sal”

 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

“Who knows? I might go out there in my car and get hit. You don’t know, Sal”

 

It might be a bit more likely now.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Devil's Advocate for a second:  I never would have drafted Jones in round 1, but I don't necessarily agree that taking him at 6 instead of 17 is such a big deal.  Josh Allen was the obvious alternative at 6, but is it really such a slam dunk that he will be better than Dexter Lawrence, who they got at 17?  And maybe Lawrence is a better scheme fit for the Giants' D.  The bottom line is, if Jones stinks, it won't much matter if he was picked at 17 or 6.

 

Agree, but they could have taken several players there and got dexter too and got Jones later.

[mannc]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Agree, but they could have taken several players there and got dexter too and got Jones later.

Maybe.  But they also may have had some intel that the Redskins or Dolphins or some other team liked Jones and might take him in round 1.  Everyone is assuming that’s not the case, but we don’t know.  

[Warcodered]

 

[Saxum]

On 4/19/2019 at 3:50 PM, GunnerBill said:

He is a 4th round talent. If he goes in the 1st round I am giving up. I have been writing up my QB notes today (post to come tomorrow) and seriously.... he is so limited. 

 

I guess you give up.  You did not say what so chocolate like some do for lent or something non-physical like sanity?

[stosh64]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

Haskins, "The league done messed up".  His entitled attitude turned me off last night.  Time will tell if he can back that up.

So happy with our QB.