formerlyofCtown Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 4 hours ago, KRT88 said: Wow, I’ve seen several mocks where DK isn’t even a first round pick. This would be a massive reach in my opinion. No way he’s a top 10 pick. Trade back if this is the guy you want. Oh so them mock draft experts say no. Well then... The mock draft experts are the equivalent of the actor being paid to be a doctor in a commercial. Read the fine print at the bottom of the screen, If these people were any good they would be in a FO. Mayock was the only one I ever listened to and where is he now. Not sure he belongs at the top of the FO, but it makes me feel confident of my evaluation of the evaluators.
Mojo44 Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, brianthomas said: If the Bills drafted Metcalf, the plan down the road would be for him to be the #1 wr, but rarely does a rookie wr get penciled in as the #1 wr in his 1st year. Its a big jump from college ball to the NFL so it will take him some time, perhaps a whole season before he'd be our #1 wr. That's not to say you wouldn't place him on the outside once & awhile to run some deep routes, but no way does he immediately become your #1 wr. Me personally I think he's too much of a reach at that spot, given the other talent available in the draft & with our other needs. Hopefully this is just a Bills smokescreen or the case of another insider not knowing what he's talking about. DE, DT, OT or TE or trade back with some combo getting Harry as our wr or Fant/Hock/Smith at te would be my dream draft. With the exception of a quarterback, if you take any player in the top 10 regardless of position he better start on day one or it’s a wasted pick. So, if they do take Metcalf at number nine he better at least to be WR 1B if not 1A!
Reed83HOF Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, SouthNYfan said: Terrible take. Just because there are other "more special" players like bosa doesn't mean that a guy like dk isn't special. Completely absurd. Completely absurd to call a guy special because of combine numbers and his height, weight and 0.002% body fat. Not much production in college and IIRC like 80% of his routes were the 2 routes that matched his un-agile abilities. Brady had better agility tests than this guy. Maybe you take a shot in rd 2, but at 9 1
formerlyofCtown Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, K-9 said: Jones was 6.66 in the 3 cone and 4.25 in the 20 yards shuttle. Proof of a deal with the devil. Why didn't he end up with the Patriots deal makers is what I dont understand. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: You mean like Robert Foster. Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore. He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. 2
Reed83HOF Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: PER SI. That same chiseled body suffered a broken foot and a fractured neck in three years of college. And at his record-setting combine, Metcalf's change-of-direction times were slower than what Tom Brady clocked coming out of Michigan in 2000, leading teams to worry that his frame won't allow him to run more than three or four routes. Metcalf looks up to and models his game after Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson. But his agility scores are more similar to Jon Baldwin, a big-bodied first-round pick who barely lasted three years in the league. Stop, you are killing his lovers narrative on here 1
SouthNYfan Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Completely absurd to call a guy special because of combine numbers and his height, weight and 0.002% body fat. Not much production in college and IIRC like 80% of his routes were the 2 routes that matched his un-agile abilities. Brady had better agility tests than this guy. Maybe you take a shot in rd 2, but at 9 He was a highly touted wr, many had him tops, before his combine. The combine if anything hurt not helped him. A lot of the big guys never did the agility drills for that exact reason.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore. He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. My comp there is still Greg Hardy, though I do see the workout comparisons to JPP.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 espn - Metcalf cbs - Jonah Williams draftwire - Metcalf SI - Oliver walter football - Sweat nfl.com - Hockenson 24/7 sports - Dillard bleacher report - Jonah Williams the draft network - JAWAAN TAYLOR who's it going to be? 9 days and we'll have the answer. meanwhile, a mock is a mock, is a mock. 1 1
Cornette's Commentary Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: espn - Metcalf cbs - Jonah Williams draftwire - Metcalf SI - Oliver walter football - Sweat nfl.com - Hockenson 24/7 sports - Dillard bleacher report - Jonah Williams the draft network - JAWAAN TAYLOR who's it going to be? 9 days and we'll have the answer. meanwhile, a mock is a mock, is a mock. Walter Football has Brian Burns going 8th to the Lions???
BADOLBILZ Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Agreed...I really like Trayveon and Montgomery at RB though...again I worry that they'll be overdrafted. Singletary in 4th(probably not happening) and Travis Homer late are the two guys I'd like to see at that value............and I don't think either of them are potentially explosive every down RB's. Homer is just more of a late pick or UDFA combo back who will be a good ST guy and locker room guy IMO but could develop into more. He fits that "better pro" Allen Hurns type profile that the U has produced since the downturn. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes in round 5 this year. Like you said I expect some over-drafting on the position cuz it's shallow, IMO.
formerlyofCtown Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore. He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. The only thing that matters is if he has coachable talent. I havent spent as much time on this years draft as last but I have heard rumblings of weight issues. But it also seems he has high upside. I trust Beane and McD with evaluations.
MJS Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 This guy knows nothing. Just hoping something will stick so he can pay himself on the back later.
mannc Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Stop, you are killing his lovers narrative on here Yes, let’s pass on Metcalf because of his 3-cone time.?
K-9 Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Good read. Thanks for the link. Imo, the biggest takeaway was the quote from the AFC exec who said even though Metcalf is limited in the routes he can run, that may be enough for some team. I get that sentiment, but I don’t agree with it at the NFL level where superior schemes and athletes on defense make one dimensional receivers even less effective.
Reed83HOF Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 Just now, SouthNYfan said: He was a highly touted wr, many had him tops, before his combine. The combine if anything hurt not helped him. A lot of the big guys never did the agility drills for that exact reason. I think I saw BADOL talk about it back in the thread, the only way I see us taking him is based on those intangibles and McD think he can coach up raw physical talent. I don't see a Coach on this staff who can do that. Beane's folly would be falling into that line of thinking and bypassing true blue chip talent, which I just don't see in DK. The Pick at #9 (or higher - if we buy what jw indicated) needs to be a day 1 starter. A WR at this high needs to be a clear 1 and I just don't see it. Of course if we take him I will root for him, but to me this is a lot like Whitner over Ngata and Maybin or Spiller - failure of a GM to properly evaluate talent. I mean no disrespect, just disagree 1 minute ago, mannc said: Yes, let’s pass on Metcalf because of his 3-cone time.? It limits his routes and that is an issue. There will be better talent at 9 than DK. 1 1
GunnerBill Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: It won't surprise me at all if Edmunds ends up playing the LorAx role starting in 2020. He's built perfectly for it, and he's a far superior athlete to LorAx. That's why I'd be looking at an off-ball 'backer like Okereke in the mid rounds, but I have a feeling that he'll be over-drafted since off-ball LB is arguably the weakest position in the class (safety could contend as well though). Yea... the off the ball linebacker class is not good. The drop off after the two Devin's is significant. Mack Wilson I have a lower 2nd on.... and after him..... it is 3rd/4th borderline guys. 2
SouthNYfan Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: I think I saw BADOL talk about it back in the thread, the only way I see us taking him is based on those intangibles and McD think he can coach up raw physical talent. I don't see a Coach on this staff who can do that. Beane's folly would be falling into that line of thinking and bypassing true blue chip talent, which I just don't see in DK. The Pick at #9 (or higher - if we buy what jw indicated) needs to be a day 1 starter. A WR at this high needs to be a clear 1 and I just don't see it. Of course if we take him I will root for him, but to me this is a lot like Whitner over Ngata and Maybin or Spiller - failure of a GM to properly evaluate talent. I mean no disrespect, just disagree I don't disagree that we may be lacking the coaching, but daboll seems to be okay to me, and I think he'd use him right. I also think that people forget Calvin Johnson had a limited route tree as well. Doing a couple of things amazingly can be just as effective, and usually more effective, as doing everything above average. DK def needs the right coach and scheme to succeed, and a guy who is limited in his range but elite in those areas has a bigger bust potential since he also needs a proper coach to see and maximize those abilities. Anyway, he's elite in some areas and grossly lacking in others. He's ranked highly for a reason by almost everybody, but he is also listed as having a big risk by those same people. I get not wanting the risk, I totally get that, but there's no way people can say he doesn't have the upside to be a high pick, by some team.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea... the off the ball linebacker class is not good. The drop off after the two Devin's is significant. Mack Wilson I have a lower 2nd on.... and after him..... it is 3rd/4th borderline guys. Catch any Ben Burr-Kirven tape? He's not in my top tier, but he caught my eye more than once while I was watching Byron Murphy film 1
Reed83HOF Posted April 17, 2019 Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: I don't disagree that we may be lacking the coaching, but daboll seems to be okay to me, and I think he'd use him right. I also think that people forget Calvin Johnson had a limited route tree as well. Doing a couple of things amazingly can be just as effective, and usually more effective, as doing everything above average. DK def needs the right coach and scheme to succeed, and a guy who is limited in his range but elite in those areas has a bigger bust potential since he also needs a proper coach to see and maximize those abilities. Anyway, he's elite in some areas and grossly lacking in others. He's ranked highly for a reason by almost everybody, but he is also listed as having a big risk by those same people. I get not wanting the risk, I totally get that, but there's no way people can say he doesn't have the upside to be a high pick, by some team. I don't disagree with what you are saying either LOL. It's just at pick #9 (or higher) in this draft, I see better overall and more well-wounded talent. As you move into the teens and depending on if someone slides or not I can easily see a case for DK; with the Blue chippers being gone and now the raw athletic talent and ceiling vs the mid guys.
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