Lurker Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 11:31 PM, KOKBILLS said: It's massive gamble...Kind of like #17...But if it pays off...Oh my... I think we'll start to see the FO and coaching staff pivot away from "massive gambles." Expectations have been raised and these guys are in "win now" mode with both the fans and probably ownership. The top pick will be an immediate contributor, IMO. Not a 'potential' for a couple of years down the road...
Mat68 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: I think we'll start to see the FO and coaching staff pivot away from "massive gambles." Expectations have been raised and these guys are in "win now" mode with both the fans and probably ownership. The top pick will be an immediate contributor, IMO. Not a 'potential' for a couple of years down the road... The reason many are high on Metcalf, me included, he will have an immediate impact and role. He has a long way to go before he is Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson but that is what you are chasing. Nothing else he is a dynamic deep threat to enhance Buffalos vertical passing attack as a rookie. In the Redzone he can create space and high point the ball better than any other wr on the roster. Those 2 things he already does and are important with Allen at Qb. Buffalo needs to get him on a better weight and movement regimen. Lose some mass add some fluidity not alot but a little shift could help. Sharpen his route running and look out. At 9 DK Metcalf would give Buffalo a pretty scary offense with 2 deep threats being able to be on the feild at all times, with Brown, Foster, Metcalf rotating. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 8:07 PM, Da webster guy said: Def a homer statement on my part. But I watch a lot of offensive film. I dont always know what routes are supposed to be run, but I do know separation when I see it, and we have four guys that do it very well. Foster had elite numbers from week 10 on, and Zay was only inconsistent his rookie year dude. Last year he made a big step in reliability and had huge plays for us. Josh doesnt need another WR, he needs pass protection, a run game, and a TE. Huh? No disrespect here, but I honestly dont understand some of the stuff you just said or what you watched to come to some of these conclusions. Zay sucks at getting separation. In fact, MOST of his production came off broken plays where Josh had to scramble and buy time. Why? Because Zay didnt win enough at the LOS or on his routes. He is also terrible against press coverage and physical corners to go with poor hands and sloppy routes. 3 of his last 4 games were among the worst of his season and career. People look at a stat sheet and think the week 16 Pats game was a "good" game when in reality it was atrocious. He was dominated the whole game physically and couldn't get open. With 1 min left in a 3 score blow out, they left him uncovered for a free 31 yard TD that made his "stat sheet" look productive. But in reality he had 4 catches for a little over 30 yards at that point...he was terrible through weeks in 14, 15, and 16. In fact, his ONLY 2 good games with Josh were both the Miami games against a terrible secondary and one of the weeks Miami decided to not even show up (week 17). 10 times he had under 40 yards receiving last year. Im high on Foster, but ELITE numbers? I mean he only averaged a few catches a game, so just cant figure out where you got to "Elite" numbers. He really came on, I do like him a lot and his upside. I even liked him before he got cut. But, he is far from a proven commodity and his numbers were definitely not elite. I like Brown and Cole signings a lot. But Brown has a bad catch % too as a deep ball specialist and Cole is a short yardage and 3rd down specialist. We do not by any means have a proven impact player on our offense right now. 1
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Are you super excited about the run defense going up against Le'Veon Bell (twice), Ezekiel Elliott, Phil Lindsay, Kenyan Drake (twice), Wendell Smallwood? Wendell Smallwood?!?!?!?!? @Cornette's Commentary, you do realize there are more ways to replace one defensive lineman than just our first round pick, right? I've seen you make this statement multiple times and it's beyond hyperbolic (and silly). 3 1
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Are you super excited about the run defense going up against Le'Veon Bell (twice), Ezekiel Elliott, Phil Lindsay, Kenyan Drake (twice), Wendell Smallwood? Are you super excited about losing a bunch of games by a score of 13-6 because we keep our defense elite but fail to upgrade our offense in a meaningful way and therefore can't score points? Also, have you ever looked up the word "repetitive" in the dictionary? 1
Cornette's Commentary Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Wendell Smallwood?!?!?!?!? @Cornette's Commentary, you do realize there are more ways to replace one defensive lineman than just our first round pick, right? I've seen you make this statement multiple times and it's beyond hyperbolic (and silly). So, what's your solution? Use a 2nd on Jerry Tillery, who did nothing of significance for Notre Dame last season? Use a 2nd on Jeffrey Simmons, who tore his ACL preparing for the Combine and will likely miss the entire season? Take Khalen Saunders, a DT who has NEVER consistently gone up against legitimate competition, in the 3rd?
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: So, what's your solution? Use a 2nd on Jerry Tillery, who did nothing of significance for Notre Dame last season? Use a 2nd on Jeffrey Simmons, who tore his ACL preparing for the Combine and will likely miss the entire season? Take Khalen Saunders, a DT who has NEVER consistently gone up against legitimate competition, in the 3rd? I am in the camp that thinks taking a defensive lineman in the 1st round is the most sensible approach. With that being said, your condescension, hostility, and belittling toward anyone who DARES disagree with you is getting old. You're a fan on an internet message board. Same as the rest of us. Yet you talk like you're the smartest guy in the room. Your schtick has worn out its welcome. Your repetitive posts have grown stale. Worst of all, you do a disservice to the legendary name of Jim Cornette! 2
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Cornette's Commentary said: So, what's your solution? Use a 2nd on Jerry Tillery, who did nothing of significance for Notre Dame last season? Use a 2nd on Jeffrey Simmons, who tore his ACL preparing for the Combine and will likely miss the entire season? Take Khalen Saunders, a DT who has NEVER consistently gone up against legitimate competition, in the 3rd? I believe Saunders will be a very good pro, yep. There's also trading for Gerald McCoy. There's also plenty of unsigned FAs: Suh, Jernigan, Liuget, Allen Bailey, Wilkerson, Bennie Logan, the list goes on... Then there's the potential availability of DTs on teams who draft Quinnen, Oliver, Tillery, etc. I also also also like both Phillipses to get more snaps this season, so I'm not exactly terrified about not currently having our 4th DT. 2
Andrew Son Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I believe Saunders will be a very good pro, yep. There's also trading for Gerald McCoy. There's also plenty of unsigned FAs: Suh, Jernigan, Liuget, Allen Bailey, Wilkerson, Bennie Logan, the list goes on... Then there's the potential availability of DTs on teams who draft Quinnen, Oliver, Tillery, etc. I also also also like both Phillipses to get more snaps this season, so I'm not exactly terrified about not currently having our 4th DT. Well, ignore our pending Wendell Smallwood matchup at your own peril... 2
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I believe Saunders will be a very good pro, yep. There's also trading for Gerald McCoy. There's also plenty of unsigned FAs: Suh, Jernigan, Liuget, Allen Bailey, Wilkerson, Bennie Logan, the list goes on... Then there's the potential availability of DTs on teams who draft Quinnen, Oliver, Tillery, etc. I also also also like both Phillipses to get more snaps this season, so I'm not exactly terrified about not currently having our 4th DT. There's also nothing saying that we can't trade up from the second to get Christian Wilkins (meh) or Dexter Lawrence (me likey) as well... 1 minute ago, glazeduck said: There's also nothing saying that we can't trade up from the second to get Christian Wilkins (meh) or Dexter Lawrence (me likey) as well... Hahahaha
Iamkrgr Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 I can't wait to see how this all plays out. Ive run so many draft scenario possibilities in my head that I don't even know who I really want at this point. There are good arguments for everything. Swing for the fences? Dk Metcalf. Someone safe? Wilkins. Improve the run while giving JA a safety valve? Hockenson. BPA? Probably an edge defender. Move up for an elite player? Quinnen. Can't wait for the draft.
BuffaloBaumer Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, glazeduck said: Mike Williams (LAC), Amari Cooper, Corey Davis (to a certain extent), Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn, Braylon Edwards... It's almost as if drafting a wr in the top 10 isn't an automatic curse to said wr... hmm... Sooo, you are comparing him to mostly future Hall of Famers huh
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Sooo, you are comparing him to mostly future Hall of Famers huh Not at all. Just pointing out that just because we had a bad experience with drafting a WR in the top 10, doesn't automatically make it a death knell for that pick. There's been plenty of successful (and plenty of unsuccessful) WRs picked in the top 10.
Cornette's Commentary Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Not at all. Just pointing out that just because we had a bad experience with drafting a WR in the top 10, doesn't automatically make it a death knell for that pick. There's been plenty of successful (and plenty of unsuccessful) WRs picked in the top 10. SAVE US, DK METCALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said: SAVE US, DK METCALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy, some of you guys are just fantastic at taking things out of context.
thunderingsquid Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/17/2019 at 1:00 AM, Doc Brown said: I'm higher on him than most so I'd be fine the pick. He was on his way to a great season his junior year before getting injured. Giving Josh Allen an athletic freak that's 6'3 225 lbs. who runs a 4.33 yard 40 seems like a good idea. He improved his 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle time at his pro day following the combine which everybody was freaking out about. He could be an absolute Julio Jones type stud for Josh Allen. Or he could be David Boston. Let's hope it's the former. I'm thinking more like a jacked Randy Moss.
BuffaloBaumer Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Not at all. Just pointing out that just because we had a bad experience with drafting a WR in the top 10, doesn't automatically make it a death knell for that pick. There's been plenty of successful (and plenty of unsuccessful) WRs picked in the top 10. I just think that if you are drafting a guy in the top 10 (especially receiver) he should not have as many question marks as Metcalf.... 1
glazeduck Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: I just think that if you are drafting a guy in the top 10 (especially receiver) he should not have as many question marks as Metcalf.... It's a fair concern, but as I've said on here a couple times, every pro comment of DK comes with the caveat that his health checks out. To have to acknowledge that in every post would be excruciating, so for the sake of discussion, just set that aside. If his health doesn't check out, then totally agree, he's off the board (or way way lower). Not to mention that if he has injury concerns, so do Marquise Brown and others. After that, I don't really have any major question marks for him, aside from him simply not being the absolute perfect specimen for a WR. The agility stuff doesn't bother me, a semi-truck isn't going to be able to move like a motorcycle, it's just unrealistic to even expect that. I find it interesting that "not being 6'3 with crazy wingspan, huge hands, and otherworldly explosion/athleticism" isn't really a knock for the rest of the WR class, yet somehow less than-ideal agility is somehow the killshot for DK's future -- it all needs to be taken into context with everything else, and I see rare rare rare traits everywhere for him... Edited April 23, 2019 by glazeduck
Solomon Grundy Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Boy, some of you guys are just fantastic at taking things out of context. No, they are waiting for the great TJ Hockenson to come to the rescue. Another somebody who has done nothing in the NFL 3 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Are you super excited about the run defense going up against Le'Veon Bell (twice), Ezekiel Elliott, Phil Lindsay, Kenyan Drake (twice), Wendell Smallwood? Which one player in the draft is gonna fix this Cornette?
BADOLBILZ Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said: I'm thinking more like a jacked Randy Moss. His ability to extend for overthrown, over shoulder passes is Mossy. 1
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