Bills new workout facility

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, dubs said:

 

I think it’s more the jump from something as benign and uncontroversial as the new training facility to making sure everyone knows that it doesn’t necessarily mean the the Pegulas or anyone else involved with the Bills has done anything to deserve credit because they haven’t won the super bowl and the Sabres suck, or something like that. That level of vigilance is, frankly, bizarre. 

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

[dubs]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

....In a thread about the new training facility.  ???‍♂️

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

Do they have pemf/infrared/ion mats at the facility?

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

After 20 years of this, I can’t fault anyone for not being familiar with what success looks like. Or looking forward to orange slices at half time.

[eball]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

13 combined full seasons of NFL/NHL ownership and just once qualified for the playoffs........otherwise almostly entirely last or second-to-last finishes in their respective divisions.......it's not that they haven't won titles it's that they haven't ever been in contention for one.       

 

Nobody says they aren't trying..........but as a product whose merit is judged almost entirely on wins and losses............theirs are fair game for criticism for the absence of success.

 

Sometimes it feels like I am arguing with a bunch of people who don't like the competitive nature of sports............like a bunch of soccer mom's that want to give out participation trophies before the season even starts and then hope for the best.    

 

No, you just like to hear yourself talk. ???

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

After 20 years of this, I can’t fault anyone for not being familiar with what success looks like. Or looking forward to orange slices at half time.

 

Well OK........but it's not like Buffalo fans have to look far at the actual impact of such peripheral "value adds".

 

The Pegs spent a whole lot more $$$ on Harbor Center in an attempt to turn downtown Buffalo into a hockey Mecca...............and yet they have players leaving and excelling elsewhere and talking about how leaving that moribund Pegula organization has saved their careers.    They even had a player go AWOL this season..........apparently to get drunk with visiting friends.    I mean what kind of psychologist-to-player-ratio do you need in-house to field a competitive NHL hockey team 500 yards south of Canada?    

 

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

Ultimately you can spend all the cash you want on peripherals..........doesn't equate to W's if the football or hockey OP's isn't top quality and that starts with The Pegs decisions at the top.

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

No, you just like to hear yourself talk. ???

 

 

Says the boozer with twice as many posts as I.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Well OK........but it's not like Buffalo fans have to look far at the actual impact of such peripheral "value adds".

 

The Pegs spent a whole lot more $$$ on Harbor Center in an attempt to turn downtown Buffalo into a hockey Mecca...............and yet they have players leaving and excelling elsewhere and talking about how leaving that moribund Pegula organization has saved their careers.    They even had a player go AWOL this season..........apparently to get drunk with visiting friends.    I mean what kind of psychologist-to-player-ratio do you need in-house to field a competitive NHL hockey team 500 yards south of Canada?    

 

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

Ultimately you can spend all the cash you want on peripherals..........doesn't equate to W's if the football or hockey OP's isn't top quality and that starts with The Pegs decisions at the top.

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Warcodered

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

 

It’s a tired act. But he’s consistent! 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Right we need shittier facilities to keep a gritty edge to our players. I mean how can our players be at there best if they're not playing to get a job somewhere else.

 

 

Do you remember when Rex was hired and was FLOORED at the quality of the Bills training facility?

 

It's not like they had subpar facilities that were holding the team back.

 

All I am saying is MAYBE you should improve facilities to maintain a high quality status quo.........like Alabama..........rather than to try to elevate an underachieving program........like Texas.

 

The fact that The Pegs spent $200M and counting on Harbor Center and that team somehow actually got WORSE the past two seasons certainly suggests that throwing money at the problem hasn't worked.

 

The lesson is don't expect or assume results...........it could even be a disincentive for many.  

 

I do like the fact that McD is bringing in competition and I hope they use all 10 draft picks and that players have to FIGHT for the right to have a job with the cushy digs though...........so there is that aspect.    

 

 

[eball]

7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

It’s a tired act. But he’s consistent! 

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 hours ago, SWATeam said:

I simply joined in because I fear you are cruising past "beaten horse" territory and closing in on a crusade.  Anytime anyone posts anything positive on the Pegula's, Beane, or McD- you run in with your wet blanket.  I think we all understand your stance.

 

And I clearly said there is no way of knowing the direction.  Just that I'm hopeful.  Personally, for me, It's all about Josh Allen.  I was one of the few like liked him coming out of college, and I think he's a franchise guy.  If he is, is it crazy to think that we could compete as early as this year?  And for years to come?

 

Christ ...  how a thread about this shiny new toy went off the rails. 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-expect-world-class-sports-performance-center-to-enhance-their-game

 

It was an investment that Terry and Kim Pegula committed to personally. In the wake of renovations and improvements to New Era Field, a redesign of the team’s locker room, training room and grass practice field expansion over the last few years, the most recent project by the owners of the Bills may prove to be the crown jewel of the enhancements at One Bills Drive.

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

35 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-expect-world-class-sports-performance-center-to-enhance-their-game

 

It was an investment that Terry and Kim Pegula committed to personally. In the wake of renovations and improvements to New Era Field, a redesign of the team’s locker room, training room and grass practice field expansion over the last few years, the most recent project by the owners of the Bills may prove to be the crown jewel of the enhancements at One Bills Drive.

 

 

ooooooh that looks cool. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, eball said:

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

 

 

All I am saying is that they've spent $250M on facility improvements for their two teams in recent years and yet somehow the struggle is real on the field/ice..........the Sabres are practically at ground zero again on the destination scale.

 

As No Saint says.........some of you don't remember what success looks like.........your Lombardi trophy has an orange slice in place of the football.

 

But you are an expert on how training facilities will suddenly equate to results?   You, who haven't curled anything over 12 ounces since wine started coming in boxes?   The facilities the Bills had were not substandard.     It's generous of The Pegs but without some hardware at the entrance the place looks like it belongs in a shopping mall.    Could've renovated the Sears at Eastern Hills and had a batting cage and a bowling alley in the same wing!

[Warcodered]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

All I am saying is that they've spent $250M on facility improvements for their two teams in recent years and yet somehow the struggle is real on the field/ice..........the Sabres are practically at ground zero again on the destination scale.

 

As No Saint says.........some of you don't remember what success looks like.........your Lombardi trophy has an orange slice in place of the football.

 

But you are an expert on how training facilities will suddenly equate to results?   You, who haven't curled anything over 12 ounces since wine started coming in boxes?   The facilities the Bills had were not substandard.     It's generous of The Pegs but without some hardware at the entrance the place looks like it belongs in a shopping mall.    Could've renovated the Sears at Eastern Hills and had a batting cage and a bowling alley in the same wing!

Who are you arguing this with? I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks that better facilities will magically make the Bills win. It's like you're having a phantom argument with some made up dumb guy.

 

I think a lot of people on here see this as a positive sign investing in the team is a good thing and that the facilities will help the players. But no one really thinks that facilities matter if you don't find the right guys and they don't put in enough work.

[Aussie Joe]

What’s wrong with being a boozer?

 

The term seems to be thrown around like it’s some type of insult..

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Who are you arguing this with? I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks that better facilities will magically make the Bills win. It's like you're having a phantom argument with some made up dumb guy.

 

I think a lot of people on here see this as a positive sign investing in the team is a good thing and that the facilities will help the players. But no one really thinks that facilities matter if you don't find the right guys and they don't put in enough work.

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

 

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

 

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

Do they have chi machines/vitality swings?

 

[BeginnersMind]

59 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

 

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

 

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

 

Open invite to PPP. It’s made for you man. 

[Warcodered]

47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you are aware of eball's insatiable thirst for spirits the second line would have tipped you off that I was speaking directly to him.     That.......and of course the fact that his post was imbedded the reply.   That is usually a good indicator of who it was in response to.

 

But you clearly don't get the protocol here..........this is how it works:

Yeah I know I was more adressing the part of your post that was either addressing someone else(made up strawman) or was just arguing against something he didn't say. I mean where in this post does he say Better Facilities=wins?

13 hours ago, eball said:

 

He really is the proverbial broken clock.  He's right about twice a day, but unfortunately he keeps pontificating and "teaching" us all day long.

 

It's remarkable he has now arrived at the conclusion that the Pegulas should be criticized for making things too "comfy" for the Bills by investing in the facilities before they've won championships. 

 

58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

1) I make an observation with a point and examples.

2) Emo fan responds and twists and exaggerates my take to make it sound unreasonable.

3) So I do likewise with theirs to illustrate that I understand how this goes.

4) Emo gets furious and other emo's jump in.

 

That's unfortunately the way it works when we can't discuss both sides of a topic rationally here.

Are you sure because it seems more like:

1.Something positive happens.

2.People are happy/excited about.

3.You come in and say how that one thing doesn't mean they'll win like it wasn't obvious and how things have been bad for so long.

And then you just keep arguing with people.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Eball claims that I said "The Pegs should be criticized for making the facilities too comfy"..........I never said that.........I said they should be criticized for not having success on the field/ice.    

 

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

This probably didn't help.

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And at what point do you become the NFL equivalent of the University of Texas..........a place so comfortable for players that they have no edge?

 

It all seems like a good idea to give players a super comfy workplace..........but is it actually cart-before-horse thinking?

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

A sports organization is only as good as it's management.    Those people are always going to be more important than throwing money at the on field/on ice problem. 

Then what is your solution? Do you want them to fire Bean and McDermot? Do you want them to sell the team to someone with more football knowledge? What actual solution do you have to the thing you're complaining about.