keepthefaith Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: I'll start a Trump lies thread! Too late, just did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He's not a pathological liar. Isn't that better than Trump's criminal dishonesty? Oh, so you are saying Hillary isn't a Socialist, but all the Dems now are? ? can you please show me the arrest records showing Trump is a criminal? Or Is it in the same drawer as the files that show he colluded with Russia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 hours ago, row_33 said: it's hard to dislodge a one term President unless he's a total disaster (Carter) or faced a solid opponent (Papa Bush), not sure James Baker did a thing to help Papa's campaign, it was just as well... Even W won re-election, my only standard was if he really wanted it and could pull off a good acceptance speech at the convention. yes and yes Very hard. It's only been done three times in the last 100 years (Hoover, Carter, Bush Sr.) and they were all during a struggling economy. I don't count Ford because he was never elected president. A reelection loss by Trump would be embarrassing in a booming economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Very hard. It's only been done three times in the last 100 years (Hoover, Carter, Bush Sr.) and they were all during a struggling economy. I don't count Ford because he was never elected president. A reelection loss by Trump would be embarrassing in a booming economy. It would be much more embarrassing for the country if he was "reelected." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: It would be much more embarrassing for the country if he was "reelected." Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Thanks for asking, because I'd like to write about it. Busy at the moment but I'll give a relatively long reply in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Still haven’t heard your reasoning as to why Hillary lost. Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 President Trump's twitter feed always contains a few nuggets of what will eventually become public - if people care to look at it as more than #OrangeManBad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: President Trump's twitter feed always contains a few nuggets of what will eventually become public - if people care to look at it as more than #OrangeManBad. President Trump's twitter feed contains a lot of bull sh it, too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next Quite simply Hillary pictured herself in some future utopia (dystopia for the rest of us) where anybody away from the coasts did not matter. Her delusions were very evident to middle America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Such a close election that every factor can be taken as a big thing. So first, what mistakes, in my opinion, did Hillary make: 1) Tim Kane as VP was a huge mistake. The guy is dry white bread. Boring. He brought nothing to the table (Yes, I know Virginia was seen as a battleground, but it's not). VP does matter A LOT, because the Democrats are a wide coalition of groups and people and should have shown that diversity. Not getting the black vote out cost her. A different VP could have accomplished more. 2) She didn't tweet. That's like FDR not using the radio. Trump was masterful in playing the media from twitter and her guns were silent. She could and should have been using it herself to counter his lies, bombast, racism and everything else. Should have been on the attack! Always try and attack! 3) She should have been all over Trump U. It was open fraud. Every other word out of her mouth should have been about the criminal activity he was openly part of. So easy to mock, so easy to attack with, yet she let that all slip away. Fraud! Side note: Hillary was attacked for not campaigning in upper Mississippi valley and all that, but I don't agree with that. She was literally in Arizona trying to capture that now swing state when Comey had his pro-Trump news conference accusing her of using emails. So the FBI damaged her campaign strategy in that way. I'll do the Trump side next Oh she was on the attack. She (and her vocal coastal elite backers) attacked his supporters and those on the right instead of him. THAT is why she lost. It's really that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Oh she was on the attack. She (and her vocal coastal elite backers) attacked his supporters and those on the right instead of him. THAT is why she lost. It's really that simple. One comment she made that was amplified by Fox and company? Nope. The Russians hacking personal accounts and using the information to maximum affect was a really big factor. Really big! Criminal act by foreign nation to help Trump. Why do the Russians love this guy? Russian propaganda flooding social media was a factor. They love him! The FBI announcing the investigation into nothing was a huge factor. Trump's racist appeal not turning off the "decent" Republican voters who obviously just didn't care about that, or his criminality or incompetence (For shame!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 the last thing i could possibly give a rat's ass about is Tibs analysis of an election it's over!! move on with your life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,..... — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,..... — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 30, 2019 This time they've got him! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hedge said: This time they've got him! Well, that's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: the last thing i could possibly give a rat's ass about is Tibs analysis of an election it's over!! move on with your life. In fairness, he was asked to give his opinion. I respect that he answered. He's completely wrong, of course, but he gave an actual answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 This fact will always be a thorn in the side of those who say the FBI investigation began to protect the election, not to target the political opposition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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