njbuff Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Biden is so conflicted medically, politically, personally and professionally. How they can let him go out there and debate Trump is beyond me.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 I’ve long had him circled as a likely cooperative witness. https://mobile.twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1260694773595283457 2 2
Albwan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, njbuff said: Biden is so conflicted medically, politically, personally and professionally. How they can let him go out there and debate Trump is beyond me. His wing man Barack will be running interference for him
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 I am more pissed at the GOP members of Congress that sat on all those committee hearings and listened as all these bad actors like Brennan said under oath that they had no knowledge of people in the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. If roles were reversed and the mean old orange man were a Demoncat, you know damned well the dems would never let all of this happen. Shame on the GOP for being spineless hacks through all this! 2
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: I am more pissed at the GOP members of Congress that sat on all those committee hearings and listened as all these bad actors like Brennan said under oath that they had no knowledge of people in the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. If roles were reversed and the mean old orange man were a Demoncat, you know damned well the dems would never let all of this happen. Shame on the GOP for being spineless hacks through all this! Timing is everything. This is chess, not checkers. You haven't seen anything yet. Enjoy the show.
Magox Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: I’ve long had him circled as a likely cooperative witness. https://mobile.twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1260694773595283457 What does potentially mean? 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Magox said: What does potentially mean? Well, I posted that before reading the article -- and the article actually makes it clear that Priestep is not cooperating. Priestep was #2 at the FBI-CID (its most powerful division, and the only civilian counterintelligence agency we have). Had he flipped (which he may still, but again this article leads me to believe he hasn't yet), he'd be a treasure trove of information for a RICO case. EDIT: More here, @Magox -- Huber is terrific (but is still speculation on this point) 1 3
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Weak spin. Expect more of it. https://mobile.twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1260721095617007617 1 1 1
Magox Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 The argument that seems to be missing in this whole debate is the painting of the picture of what appears to be systemic abuse against the Trump campaign. 1) First the whole predicate of the investigation centered around the debunked Steele Dossier. Which was bought and paid for by the Hillary campaign. Which was then disseminated by Bruce Ohr and his wife who have clear biases. 2) Then there were phone taps that at very best were egregiously carried out and at worst criminally conducted to spy on the Trump administration. What was it? Like over 40 instances, right? 3) Then you have all these White house and intelligence officials who all said one thing publicly - claiming that there either was or could have been Russian Collusion and implicated Flynn and other Trump officials but all of them behind closed doors under testimony said the exact same opposite. 4) Now you have all these people in the White House that unmasked what is IN FACT a political opponent. Were they justified? I don't know, but it needs to be investigated. And I'm not sure how common this is, but the Chief of Staff of Obama, The VP Biden and other US ambassadors of countries like Italy were all involved with this? How unusual is this? And the fact that someone out of that group leaked it to the media which really started off this firestorm of events. The media likes to try to MediaHackSplain their way each particular instance. But when you put all of it together it clearly shows that there was a pattern of abuse. Sure, if it one of these facts stood out on their own, you could make an explanation. But two, three, four???? This is more than just smoke, there is definitely some fire here and it is up to the Durham and the US Senators to get to the bottom of this. 4 3
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Magox said: The argument that seems to be missing in this whole debate is the painting of the picture of what appears to be systemic abuse against the Trump campaign. 1) First the whole predicate of the investigation centered around the debunked Steele Dossier. Which was bought and paid for by the Hillary campaign. Which was then disseminated by Bruce Ohr and his wife who have clear biases. 2) Then there were phone taps that at very best were egregiously carried out and at worst criminally conducted to spy on the Trump administration. What was it? Like over 40 instances, right? 3) Then you have all these White house and intelligence officials who all said one thing publicly - claiming that there either was or could have been Russian Collusion and implicated Flynn and other Trump officials but all of them behind closed doors under testimony said the exact same opposite. 4) Now you have all these people in the White House that unmasked what is IN FACT a political opponent. Were they justified? I don't know, but it needs to be investigated. And I'm not sure how common this is, but the Chief of Staff of Obama, The VP Biden and other US ambassadors of countries like Italy were all involved with this? How unusual is this? And the fact that someone out of that group leaked it to the media which really started off this firestorm of events. The media likes to try to MediaHackSplain their way each particular instance. But when you put all of it together it clearly shows that there was a pattern of abuse. Sure, if it one of these facts stood out on their own, you could make an explanation. But two, three, four???? This is more than just smoke, there is definitely some fire here and it is up to the Durham and the US Senators to get to the bottom of this. Well put. They had every GOP campaign under surveillance -- Rubio, Cruz for sure -- as well as Bernie's. If you haven't read this yet, I highly recommend it. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf Especially pages 82-84 (give or take). This shows that it was indeed systemic and extended well beyond just Trump or the 2016 election. It shows how the FBI and DOJ were allowing unsupervised outside contractors (think Halper, think CrowdStrike) to search the NSA's 702 database (which contains all collected SIGINT and ELINT of American citizens) without a warrant. They were doing this so often that the FISC estimated 85% of all the DOJ/FBI searches run on the 702 data base since 2012 were deemed illegal. This is the document no one in the MSM wants to talk about. It's the document that started the whole saga. 5 1 1
CarpetCrawler Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Well put. They had every GOP campaign under surveillance -- Rubio, Cruz for sure -- as well as Bernie's. If you haven't read this yet, I highly recommend it. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf Especially pages 82-84 (give or take). This shows that it was indeed systemic and extended well beyond just Trump or the 2016 election. It shows how the FBI and DOJ were allowing unsupervised outside contractors (think Halper, think CrowdStrike) to search the NSA's 702 database (which contains all collected SIGINT and ELINT of American citizens) without a warrant. They were doing this so often that the FISC estimated 85% of all the DOJ/FBI searches run on the 702 data base since 2012 were deemed illegal. This is the document no one in the MSM wants to talk about. It's the document that started the whole saga. P.83 "the FBI had disclosed raw FISA information" P.84 "the ____ contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI's requests" P. 84 "The FBI must retain all FISA-acquired information under appropriately secure conditions that limit access to such information only to authorized users in accordance with these and other FBI procedures. These retention procedures apply to FISA-acquired information retained in any form." 4
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, CarpetCrawler said: P.83 "the FBI had disclosed raw FISA information" P.84 "the ____ contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI's requests" P. 84 "The FBI must retain all FISA-acquired information under appropriately secure conditions that limit access to such information only to authorized users in accordance with these and other FBI procedures. These retention procedures apply to FISA-acquired information retained in any form." ...wasn't there an alarming article about who had access to NSA/security files on ordinary US citizens as well?...... 1
Prickly Pete Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: I would love to see a comp of all the "technical difficulties" that have occurred during these Swampy interviews 1 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, 32ABBA said: I would love to see a comp of all the "technical difficulties" that have occurred during these Swampy interviews ...Seltzer was at the controls rest assured..............
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