njbuff Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: March/April per Barr in December. You expected heads to role or is everyone getting off like we suspect?
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: You expected heads to role or is everyone getting off like we suspect? My personal opinion remains the same as it was when this started: history/tradition/precedent says the most likely outcome is they will skate -- but this is a different administration/world post 2016. I am still of the mind that there will be justice doled out to a slew of folks in the DOJ/FBI/IC. Going higher up the food chain, into cabinet officials and the like, gets murkier. The people I trust most who are in the trenches on this issue haven't changed their tune, which gives me some confidence. I never expected, nor wanted, them to wait until 2020 because of the election and the "political persecution" angle the left would (and is) trying to play. But circumstances forced them to wait, countering the moves of the opposition. Either way it goes, there's very little chance this is done and wrapped up by November -- with or without a Trump win. There's too many fish on the hook, it's going to take more than one term to do properly. (We'll find out soon enough if this truly is a different world/administration, or just more of the same) 1 2
njbuff Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: My personal opinion remains the same as it was when this started: history/tradition/precedent says the most likely outcome is they will skate -- but this is a different administration/world post 2016. I am still of the mind that there will be justice doled out to a slew of folks in the DOJ/FBI/IC. Going higher up the food chain, into cabinet officials and the like, gets murkier. The people I trust most who are in the trenches on this issue haven't changed their tune, which gives me some confidence. I never expected, nor wanted, them to wait until 2020 because of the election and the "political persecution" angle the left would (and is) trying to play. But circumstances forced them to wait, countering the moves of the opposition. Either way it goes, there's very little chance this is done and wrapped up by November -- with or without a Trump win. There's too many fish on the hook, it's going to take more than one term to do properly. Meanwhile, the MSM gets to continue to hide all this under the rug and get away with it. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: Meanwhile, the MSM gets to continue to hide all this under the rug and get away with it. They are far too invested in the outcome as an institution. They lied for three years, knowingly, and now are scrambling to distract anyone from asking about that whole "Trump is a traitor" meme they pushed. If they report the latest developments honestly (like FISA abuse), it shines a bright light to the malfeasance they pulled on their viewers/readers. So they can't/won't do that. Instead, they're going to go down with the ship. The people are already tuning them out, distrust of the media is lower than Congress right now (which is saying something). 2
transplantbillsfan Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 57 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
B-Man Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 Post-impeachment, House Democrats sharpen focus on Barr (Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ... 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 16, 2020 Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: That's not an answer, though it is telling. It's a very simple, and on topic, question to ask. Why won't you answer it honestly?
3rdnlng Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: That's all you have.
transplantbillsfan Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not an answer, though it is telling. It's a very simple, and on topic, question to ask. Why won't you answer it honestly? I will say it again... 58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:
snafu Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Okay... you should all move away from the same tail then... or side... or ear... You're all blind and stuck on different parts of the same appendage shouting out similar descriptions and believing you have the correct holistic interpretation because you're all shouting similar things to each other. Well all I can say is thank you to a guy like you who comes around to tell us blind idiots that all we’re doing is pulling an elephant’s pud. ? 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: These accusations of uneven justice are a bit rich, especially coming now. Without arguing the charges and sentencing again, I doubt any of us here would have the AG intervening on our behalf in our cases regardless of any injustices. Also, Durham is still investigating some of these folks, right? If chargeable misdeeds are uncovered I hope those deserving are charged. The investigations need to be even handed though. Another possible reason these deep state bad guys don't get thrown in jail after investigation is that the accusations were overblown initially. FoxNews, like the other MSM networks, operates to make money. Just like those other networks, FoxNews chooses its programming to keep Trump supporters coming back nightly. Perhaps, constantly beating the drum that everyone has conspired in a years long coup attempt was hyping up the facts? As an example, nuggets of suspicious texts from Page/Strzok were extrapolated into a massive conspiracy to overthrow the President. After IG investigating, bias was found but not in their work, right? The nugget was factual but the extrapolation was not. That seems to be a bit of a pattern and so we see repeated disappointment here in bringing the supposed deep state plotters to justice. Well, you had me on LIsa Page’s handling of Strzok’s nuggets up until I remembered you left out the counter-intelligence op with phony dossiers, CIA Directors accusing the Prez of treason, the $40,000,000 dumpster dive into the president, the sodomization of the FISA court, and the unscrupulous actions of the director of the FBI and how it all lead to one big donut hole of nothingness. As you know, I’m all for us all a’setting under the tent, cooking s’mores and singing Jim Croce songs when your guy is in office. We can extrapolate the $&#@ out things then!
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://www.theblaze.com/news/doj-opens-news-investigation-into-james-comey-andrew-mccabe-peter-strzok-former-top-official-says Panic for nothing. Andrew Weissmann, a former top lawyer at the Justice Department who played a central role in Robert Mueller's investigation, said Friday the Justice Department has begun a new investigation into several former top FBI officials. Weissmann, speaking to MSNBC host Chuck Todd, said the Justice Department has swapped its "loser case" against Andrew McCabe — in which the DOJ declined to pursue charges against McCabe for lying to investigators — for a new case against former FBI Director James Comey, McCabe, and Peter Strzok. "All they did was swapped out a loser case for starting an investigation that is going to be of Comey, McCabe, Pete Strzok," Weissmann said, the Washington Examiner reported. @Bob in Mich... would this count as even-handed and the reasonable investigation you would support?
transplantbillsfan Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, snafu said: Well all I can say is thank you to a guy like you who comes around to tell us blind idiots that all we’re doing is pulling an elephant’s pud. ? Didn't say I wasn't a blind man myself. I'm just on a different part of the Elephant.
njbuff Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, B-Man said: Post-impeachment, House Democrats sharpen focus on Barr (Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ... Barr looks like a guy who doesn't give a flying fvck what anyone thinks. 1 1
Foxx Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Didn't say I wasn't a blind man myself. I'm just on a different part of the Elephant. 3
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Foxx said: ...that's HIM!!!...……..
Bob in Mich Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Well, you had me on LIsa Page’s handling of Strzok’s nuggets up until I remembered you left out the counter-intelligence op with phony dossiers, CIA Directors accusing the Prez of treason, the $40,000,000 dumpster dive into the president, the sodomization of the FISA court, and the unscrupulous actions of the director of the FBI and how it all lead to one big donut hole of nothingness. As you know, I’m all for us all a’setting under the tent, cooking s’mores and singing Jim Croce songs when your guy is in office. We can extrapolate the $&#@ out things then! The repetition around here that Mueller discovered absolutely no wrong doing has worked well. I will give credit for that trick. Many posters here repeat it now, like they might actually believe that. Hard to tell Maybe review some of the findings and myths about those Mueller findings that persist, in spite of facts to the contrary. https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/ While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.” To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up. Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia. While none of these acts amounted to the crime of conspiracy, all could be described as “collusion.” PS Now I am off listening to Jim Croce. What a tragedy for his family and friends of course but for all of us that only knew his music too Edited February 17, 2020 by Bob in Mich
Bob in Mich Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: @Bob in Mich... would this count as even-handed and the reasonable investigation you would support? I don't know. The timing is a bit suspect certainly but I don't claim to know as much as some here. Time and hopefully more clues will eventually tell us about the justification. Coming the same week that even Barr has complained about Trump trying to push him, one has to wonder if this is a legitimate investigation brought about now by some newly uncovered case facts. Or, is it the type of investigation that many have been warning about.....Trump/Barr's political use of the Justice Dept to punish the president's enemies Edited February 17, 2020 by Bob in Mich
Deranged Rhino Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: The repetition around here that Mueller discovered absolutely no wrong doing has worked well. I will give credit for that trick. Many posters here repeat it now, like they might actually believe that. Hard to tell Maybe review some of the findings and myths about those Mueller findings that persist, in spite of facts to the contrary. https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/ PS Now I am off listening to Jim Croce. What a tragedy for his family and friends of course but for all of us that only knew his music too Why cite the report itself when you can read... (checks notes) "Time magazine" instead? Reason 10004 why Bob continues to be woefully underperformed. As for the bolded, how bout that projection?!
B-Man Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Coming the same week that even Barr has complained abut Trump trying to push him, one has to wonder if this is a legitimate investigation brought about now by some newly uncovered case facts. Or, is it the type of investigation that many have been warning about.....Trump/Barr's political use of the Justice Dept to punish the president's enemies Incorrect spin. Barr specifically said that President Trump had never contacted or spoke with him about any case..............but his tweets were unhelpful. sorry. . Andrew Weissmann: AG Barr Is Starting New Investigation into Fired FBI Officials Jim Comey, Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok by Jim Hoft Original Article Little crooked man Andrew Weissmann told Chuck Todd today the new investigation initiated this week by Attorney General Bill Barr involving US Attorney in St. Louis Jeff Jensen is a ruse to investigate Jim Comey, Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok.On Friday Attorney General Bill Barr assigned an outside prosecutor to review the abusive case against General Mike Flynn.Barr also assigned a handful of prosecutors to review other cases in the US Attorney’s office in DC. . Edited February 17, 2020 by B-Man 1
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