njbuff Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nineforty said: Volume I of Mueller Report stuff: Evidence of collusion (which is not a crime, I know) 1. Paul Manafort and Rick Gates (2016 Trump campaign manager/officials) were giving polling info to a Russian national that Gates thought was a "Spy" 2. Trump called on Russia to find Clinton's emails and ordered Flynn to find em. 3. Papadopoulos tried arranging meetings between Trump and Putin and Trump approved this work. 4. Don Jr created a meeting with the sole reason of obtaining Russian dirt on Clinton and Papadopoulos was offered similar stuff from a Russian agent. 5. Manafort meets with Konstantin Kilimnik repeatedly (connected to GRU). Kiliminik wanted to bring in person, a peace plan for Ukraine that even Manafort admitted to Mueller's team that it was a backdoor way for Russia to get Crimea. There is so so so much more but I realized it's not worth going through 20 more bullet points. What the fvck did I just read? For starters, you do know that what Trump said about Russia and finding Hillary’s emails was a joke, right? You just proved how disingenuous you are. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: What the fvck did I just read? For starters, you do know that what Trump said about Russia and finding Hillary’s emails was a joke, right? You just proved how disingenuous you are. You just read Benjamin Wittes wet dream. It’s why I’ve been saying for years now that lawfare is the heart of the resistance. They’re not arbiters of truth, they’re part of the attempt to interfere in the election.
njbuff Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You just read Benjamin Wittes wet dream. It’s why I’ve been saying for years now that lawfare is the heart of the resistance. They’re not arbiters of truth, they’re part of the attempt to interfere in the election. They must listen to Richard Madcow. ? 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, njbuff said: The whole point of the Mueller investigation was to get Trump. Pure, plain and simple. If there is nothing to indict someone, then where’s the crime? There is no in between, you either committed a crime or you did not commit a crime. Pretty simple. ...he's an easier question.....the corruption of the FBI on Comey's watch is vast, scurrilous and ripe with political partisanship....should we believe that EVERYTHING was SQUEAKY clean on Bob's watch and the Bureau went to hell after he left solely because of Comey?......seriously?.....the depth and extent of corruption was WELL ingrained with Sleepy Bob at the helm....special (COUGH) prosecutor appointment is the epitome of the "fox watchin' the hen house"......
3rdnlng Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Think this all the way through please. You’re arguing that Mueller knew Trump was guilty of what would amount to treason, and had enough evidence to prove it (despite writing in his report the direct opposite — but leave that for now) — yet did not do so because HE BELIEVES IN THE IMPORT OF A NON BINDING MEMO FROM AN OFFICE THAT NO ONE TAKES SERIOUSLY. And, as a result, Trump has forever changed the federal judiciary, changed the balance of SCOTUS, passed major legislation... But Mueller just sat on his hands and let it happen because of the OLC? That’s weapons grade stupidity, is it not? my sides. oh Jesus. You’re beyond lost. 1) That “Russian national” was an ACTIVE STATE DEPARTMENT SOURCE. Meaning, he was on our team — not Putin’s. (strike one) 2) Trump never ordered Flynn to find them, and if you’re hanging your belief on “Russia, if you’re listening” then I suggest your sense of humor meter needs adjusting. (strike two) 3) G-Pop did not “try to arrange” meetings, even if he had, it’s not illegal. (foul tip) 4) Don Jr did NOT orchestrate that meeting. Fusion GPS did. (Strike three) 5) See one. You just proved you’re very good at not thinking for yourself but excellent at being propagandize by proven liars with motive and agendas to do so. This is why I asked to be put on his ignore list. He appears to be an incubatory carrier of TDS and I want no part of him. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I'm not sure the Three Stooges would provide worse representation. ? ...three??...go BIG........ 2 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 ......so how long would the depth, extent and wide spread of corruption across ONCE THOUGHT TO BE stalwart agencies (DOJ, FBI, NSA, et al) have gone on if a "purveyor of draining the swamp" did not get voted onto the scene?.....so have we been peddling the "world's greatest democracy" around the globe when our own "damn shorts are SORELY stained" and for HOW LONG?...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......so how long would the depth, extent and wide spread of corruption across ONCE THOUGHT TO BE stalwart agencies (DOJ, FBI, NSA, et al) have gone on if a "purveyor of draining the swamp" did not get voted onto the scene?.....so have we been peddling the "world's greatest democracy" around the globe when our own "damn shorts are SORELY stained" and for HOW LONG?... It’s been going on all our lives, and would have continued unabated. (imo) 1
Bob in Mich Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I think you unintentionally miss your own points. You said you didn't shed a tear for RS, and have gone on to explain why you think its wrong for this sort of thing to happen. If you're in the center, you should shed a tear for both--not just the people you support. We should agree on that, and yet you seem comfortable with it where Stone is concerned. Len, the point is Stone's treatment was no way rough, compared with what I described as common arrest tactics. The Stone arrest looked like they had more force than was necessary, true, but a very common tactic and so, not unusual. Again, my point is, that no knock arrests happen all the time and to an even worse degree, as demonstrated by the cannabis raids. Right, no. Unusual or especially rough for Stone, no. What I recall seeing was very tame Edited February 14, 2020 by Bob in Mich 1
SoCal Deek Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said: Len, the point is Stone's treatment is no way rough, compared with what I described as common arrest tactics. The Stone arrest looked like they had more force than was necessary, true, but a very common tactic and so, not unusual. Again, my point is, that no knock arrests happen all the time and to an even worse degree, as demonstrated by the cannabis raids. Right, no. Unusual or especially rough for Stone, no. What I recall seeing was very tame You have got to be kidding me Bob! Let's see if you and your family agree with your opinion the next time a SWAT Team pulls you over as you pull into your driveway for failing to signal at the intersection. This sort of tactic is not right in your average pot raid, and wasn't right for Roger Stone.
Hedge Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Nineforty said: Let me be blunt. I want Trump to hang. But I also understand the argument that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Ever. And I would welcome that debate after Trump. I had no idea John Brennan was a Bills fan. Was this you thinking about Wide Right? 3
Bob in Mich Posted February 14, 2020 Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You have got to be kidding me Bob! Let's see if you and your family agree with your opinion the next time a SWAT Team pulls you over as you pull into your driveway for failing to signal at the intersection. This sort of tactic is not right in your average pot raid, and wasn't right for Roger Stone. The arrest was recorded. There was no one shot, no dead pets, no one thrown down to the ground, no violence at all. It was very tame. Was it necessary to have that many officers? No, but that is how it is done all the time. Not unusual.
ALF Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 Trump's 'Deep State' conspiracy theory just took a big hit That conspiracy theory, which has never had much merit, suffered a near-fatal blow Friday afternoon when the Department of Justice declined to pursue criminal charges against former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-donald-trump-department-of-justice/index.html 1
keepthefaith Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, ALF said: Trump's 'Deep State' conspiracy theory just took a big hit That conspiracy theory, which has never had much merit, suffered a near-fatal blow Friday afternoon when the Department of Justice declined to pursue criminal charges against former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/andrew-mccabe-donald-trump-department-of-justice/index.html Well this is a head scratcher. The IG report points out that McCabe lied under oath or at least "lacked candor". McCabe also dropped his lawsuit against DOJ for wrongful termination late last year. Was some kind of deal cut? https://thedcpatriot.com/former-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-drops-wrongful-termination-suit-against-doj/ Also, it's pretty disingenuous on Cilliza's part to mention Flynn in the article and to ignore the recent Flynn case evolution.
Koko78 Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I use quotes because I am highly skeptical that someone who does not know how to read could be a practicing attorney. On the other hand, with the attorneys I do know, I guess it is possible... Hay! I a gud reeder!
njbuff Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: You just read Benjamin Wittes wet dream. It’s why I’ve been saying for years now that lawfare is the heart of the resistance. They’re not arbiters of truth, they’re part of the attempt to interfere in the election. They must listen to Richard Madcow. ?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I'd love to know the name of your "law firm" so I could avoid hiring them if necessary. I use quotes because I am highly skeptical that someone who does not know how to read could be a practicing attorney. On the other hand, with the attorneys I do know, I guess it is possible... With due respect, this guy is a numbnut. The beauty of the dance of internet numbnuts is they can pretend to be someone they are not, or in fact, represent exactly who they are. I think in this case, he’s managed to do both. 1
njbuff Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 A lot of people I have talked to are pissed off at Barr for letting McCabe skate. Is this Barr’s doing? I don’t know the answer to that. Maybe you guys do. 1
LSHMEAB Posted February 15, 2020 Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: Len, the point is Stone's treatment was no way rough, compared with what I described as common arrest tactics. The Stone arrest looked like they had more force than was necessary, true, but a very common tactic and so, not unusual. Again, my point is, that no knock arrests happen all the time and to an even worse degree, as demonstrated by the cannabis raids. Right, no. Unusual or especially rough for Stone, no. What I recall seeing was very tame Look at this thread; I'm supposed to feel sorry for ROGER STONE??????????????????? There are kids ROTTING in prison for....... We've got a long way to go as a country. 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: A lot of people I have talked to are pissed off at Barr for letting McCabe skate. Is this Barr’s doing? I don’t know the answer to that. Maybe you guys do. There will be no arrests. Not one.
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